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The podcast "Nice White Parents" makes a good case that gifted programs in NYC were essentially used to create two separate-and-unequal systems of education for

The podcast "Nice White Parents" makes a good case that gifted programs in NYC were essentially used to create two separate-and-unequal systems of education for black and white students inside the public schools. If you don't want to call that a "racist" system we can call it an unequal system or a caste system; but the trend you're seeing is an effort to fix that system. The people who were (unknowingly?) on the PLUS side of the equation, they're going to complain loudly as it gets leveled out.

barry-cotter 5y ago
> The podcast "Nice White Parents" makes a good case that gifted programs in NYC were essentially used to create two separate-and-unequal systems of education for black and white students inside the public schools. And let's pretend Asians don't exist. Affirmative action is about keeping Asian numbers down. So is getting rid of gifted programmes.
rsj_hn 5y ago
> The podcast "Nice White Parents" makes a good case that gifted programs in NYC were essentially used to create two separate-and-unequal systems of education for black and white students inside the public schools. I'd say the podcast is a lot more racist than the school system, since it worries about people of the wrong race learning too much. But in terms of educational caste systems, it's true that education does create a caste system because we have no good trade school or vocational infrastructure. To address that, provide more opportunities for students who don't require advanced math skills to succeed by establishing and funding quality vocational training, rather than preventing those who are faster at math from getting the best education they can. Don't worry about students learning too much. Don't assume that every area has to have equal racial outcomes, because no area will have equal racial outcomes.
- xsmasher 5y ago
  > since it worries about people of the wrong race learning too much. It doesn't. It worries about the students being warehoused in sub-par schools while claiming to give everyone the same education.

barry-cotter 5y ago

> The podcast "Nice White Parents" makes a good case that gifted programs in NYC were essentially used to create two separate-and-unequal systems of education for black and white students inside the public schools. And let's pretend Asians don't exist. Affirmative action is about keeping Asian numbers down. So is getting rid of gifted programmes.

rsj_hn 5y ago

> The podcast "Nice White Parents" makes a good case that gifted programs in NYC were essentially used to create two separate-and-unequal systems of education for black and white students inside the public schools. I'd say the podcast is a lot more racist than the school system, since it worries about people of the wrong race learning too much. But in terms of educational caste systems, it's true that education does create a caste system because we have no good trade school or vocational infrastructure. To address that, provide more opportunities for students who don't require advanced math skills to succeed by establishing and funding quality vocational training, rather than preventing those who are faster at math from getting the best education they can. Don't worry about students learning too much. Don't assume that every area has to have equal racial outcomes, because no area will have equal racial outcomes.

xsmasher 5y ago
> since it worries about people of the wrong race learning too much. It doesn't. It worries about the students being warehoused in sub-par schools while claiming to give everyone the same education.