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The PC model that unequal outcomes would disappear if you simply addressed poverty, fought putative structural discrimination via affirmative action, etc. has b

by wyager 5y ago

The PC model that unequal outcomes would disappear if you simply addressed poverty, fought putative structural discrimination via affirmative action, etc. has been repeatedly applied and disproven at massive scale dozens of times since the 60s. It's a nice story but it doesn't seem to reflect reality at all. I don't think the model of "it's because the way math is phrased is racist" is a better model - in fact, it's strictly worse - but it's the obvious next step in tacking more epicycles onto the progression of theories that have been palatable to post-WW2 progressives (who mostly dominate things like school policy).

zozbot234 5y ago
The 'PC model' has actually done very little to address poverty. If anything, it has actively perpetuated detrimental attitudes.
ironman1478 5y ago
Sorry, I didn't mean to imply that fighting poverty would solve all issues by itself. However, its unclear to me how reducing poverty wouldn't help? I know its not related to the specific topic, but for example many people of color drop out of college because they cannot afford to stay in or feel obligated to help their families in time of need. https://www.apa.org/pi/ses/resources/indicator/2014/06/childhood-poverty https://www.apa.org/pi/ses/resources/indicator/2014/06/child... It seems like alleviating poverty will help? It also just feels... obvious?
thizzbuzz 5y ago
What are you talking about, you noxious tool? Wealth inequality is higher than ever since before the 1960s. There is every indication that reducing poverty improves educational outcomes.
- dang 5y ago
  Yikes - posting like this will get you banned on HN, regardless of how wrong someone else is or you feel they are. If you wouldn't mind reviewing https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html and taking the intended spirit of the site more to heart, we'd be grateful. Edit: since all of your comments in the last 6 years have broken the site guidelines, I've banned the account. Admittedly there were only 3 of them, but that's still definitely not ok. If you don't want to be banned, you're welcome to email hn@ycombinator.com and give us reason to believe that you'll follow the rules in the future.

by wyager 5y ago

zozbot234 5y ago

The 'PC model' has actually done very little to address poverty. If anything, it has actively perpetuated detrimental attitudes.

ironman1478 5y ago

Sorry, I didn't mean to imply that fighting poverty would solve all issues by itself. However, its unclear to me how reducing poverty wouldn't help? I know its not related to the specific topic, but for example many people of color drop out of college because they cannot afford to stay in or feel obligated to help their families in time of need. https://www.apa.org/pi/ses/resources/indicator/2014/06/childhood-poverty https://www.apa.org/pi/ses/resources/indicator/2014/06/child... It seems like alleviating poverty will help? It also just feels... obvious?

thizzbuzz 5y ago

What are you talking about, you noxious tool? Wealth inequality is higher than ever since before the 1960s. There is every indication that reducing poverty improves educational outcomes.

dang 5y ago
Yikes - posting like this will get you banned on HN, regardless of how wrong someone else is or you feel they are. If you wouldn't mind reviewing https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html and taking the intended spirit of the site more to heart, we'd be grateful. Edit: since all of your comments in the last 6 years have broken the site guidelines, I've banned the account. Admittedly there were only 3 of them, but that's still definitely not ok. If you don't want to be banned, you're welcome to email hn@ycombinator.com and give us reason to believe that you'll follow the rules in the future.