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you people don’t realize how bad things are going for Telegram 0) they have extreme operational expenses (they choose to invest into their own infra instead of
by ushakov 5y ago
you people don’t realize how bad things are going for Telegram
0) they have extreme operational expenses (they choose to invest into their own infra instead of using cloud)
1) they make no revenue
2) they have no business model
3) they failed ICO, got in trouble with SEC and now owe lots of debt
4) they don’t want to raise money or sell
5) they don’t want to make money off users
- wmf 5y agoThis is self-inflicted and thus doesn't deserve a lot of sympathy.
- ushakov 5y agothat’s the point! now the plan is to get $2m from each ads partner, of which only $1m can be used towards ads and the remaining $1m is a “deposit” which can’t be withdrawn unless you plan to spend $10m also consider that none of the channels can disable ads nor get any % cut
- Sebb767 5y ago> 0) they have extreme operational expenses (they choose to invest into their own infra instead of using cloud) As people like to point out quite often, this tends to be the cheaper way, especially at scale.
- znpy 5y agoit's the same thing whatsapp did iirc.
- londons_explore 5y agoIf I were implemting telegram, the MVP version would be on AWS. Then the "scales to 10M users" version would also be in AWS, but only using EC2 and no deeply integrated Amazon services. Then I'd hire a team to build it on-site for the "scales to 3B users" version of the infra.
- OJFord 5y agoMVP fair enough, but somewhere along the way there I'm pretty sure you'd be losing money an awful lot faster than Telegram is.
- znpy 5y agocall me dumb but i respect them. they're going all in, they try to make the greatest financially sustainable and privacy friendly message platform or they die trying. they're brave.
- ushakov 5y agowhy did it take almost 9 years though? what were they thinking?!?
- stereoradonc 5y agoNo marketing expense. 500 million+ users purely on the word of mouth
- ushakov 5y agoi meant why did it take them 9 years to realize they’re not gonna make money
- wmf 5y agoThe plan seems to have been bootstrapping until they could extract a few billion from the TON blockchain pump and dump. Then TON was ruled illegal so now they're into the "things we promised we'd never do" business model.
- caskstrength 5y ago> 5) they don’t want to make money off users I wonder why. I would be fine with paying something like "1$ per month or 10$ per year" paid-tier "Telegram Premium" subscription.