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> Israeli national export controls A crash course in Israeli national export control: 1. You can sell everything except for nuclear tech (and maybe even that,

> Israeli national export controls A crash course in Israeli national export control: 1. You can sell everything except for nuclear tech (and maybe even that, I don't know). 2. If the client is not officially an enemy of Israel then do whatever you want, we don't give an f'ing f'. 3. If the client _is_ officially an enemy of Israel, then all sales must be conducted through official (secret) state channels. Independent side-action will not be tolerated (see the cases of Nahum Manbar or Shim'on Sheves). This might be a hassle, but the upside is that the courts will uphold complete secrecy of your affairs and the military censorship (yes, Israel has that) will likely prevent any nasty exposes. 4. If the US throws a tantrum, then sections (1.) and (2.) are abrogated. But don't worry: There plenty of generals and other high-ranking retired officers are in key positions in politics, and a bunch of us are wanted for war crimes anyways with ICC cases pending, so... we're all friends here and we got your back.

bjourne 5y ago
Are you sure about that? The English translation of the export control law seem to imply that companies exporting defense equipment must have a license and that that license can be revoked whenever for almost whatever reason: http://www.exportctrl.mod.gov.il/Documents/%D7%97%D7%95%D7%A7%20%D7%94%D7%A4%D7%99%D7%A7%D7%95%D7%97%20+%20%D7%A6%D7%95%D7%95%D7%99%D7%9D%20+%20%D7%AA%D7%A7%D7%A0%D7%95%D7%AA/Defense_Export_Contro_Law.pdf http://www.exportctrl.mod.gov.il/Documents/%D7%97%D7%95%D7%A... I may be misunderstanding it though.
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montblanc 5y ago
Is that so much different than how the U.S operates, other than Israel is really fun to demonize? The U.S arms whoever it wants to arm, Europe as well. So selling F-15's is cool but cyber hacks isn't. Got it.
- technobabbler 5y ago
  There's definitely parallels to be drawn between the Israeli and the American conservative/right-wing/militant nationalist elements. Both countries operate as global bullies, using military force to subjugate externally and propaganda and fear of replacement to subjugate internally, heavily enhanced by the use of technology. They both have this old-guard mentality of "might makes right" hegemony, which a lot of other countries (and some portion of their populations) don't like because it's broadly incompatible with a human-rights centered worldview that favors the pipe dream of peaceful multilateral democracies. Count myself as someone who dislikes this approach. Whether it's planes or surveillance tech or reactor malware doesn't really matter, all just ammunition for their goals. Israel at least has a survival need; it learned the (very) hard way that it has many enemies constantly seeking to destroy it. It's an us-or-them mentality hardened by centuries of oppression and decades of war. America... now that's much harder to find an excuse for. And arguably we've spent all our resources on attacking Muslim scapegoats while China leapfrogs us. But hey, I don't make global policy, I just comment on it on the internet.
  - einpoklum 5y ago
    > Israel at least has a survival need; Every state has a "survival need" > it learned the (very) hard way that it has many enemies constantly seeking to destroy it. While that might be true at the level of people in the Arab East, but as far as states are concerned, that isn't actually the case. Unfortunately, repressive governments in Jordan, Egypt and elsewhere are supportive of Israel; and Lebanon and Syria are effectively quiescent long-term. And that's despite Israel's best efforts to trigger enmity... > It's an us-or-them mentality hardened by centuries of oppression and decades of war. Israel has only existed for 73 years. And - it directly started most of the wars it fought; and one other was an attack to reclaim land occupied by a previous Israeli campaign. It's only the gulf war in which Israeli was "just attacked" (by Scud rockets from Iraq).
    - fortran77 5y ago
      This is not relevant to the subject, and full of lies. @dang -- clean up the thread

bjourne 5y ago

Are you sure about that? The English translation of the export control law seem to imply that companies exporting defense equipment must have a license and that that license can be revoked whenever for almost whatever reason: http://www.exportctrl.mod.gov.il/Documents/%D7%97%D7%95%D7%A7%20%D7%94%D7%A4%D7%99%D7%A7%D7%95%D7%97%20+%20%D7%A6%D7%95%D7%95%D7%99%D7%9D%20+%20%D7%AA%D7%A7%D7%A0%D7%95%D7%AA/Defense_Export_Contro_Law.pdf http://www.exportctrl.mod.gov.il/Documents/%D7%97%D7%95%D7%A... I may be misunderstanding it though.

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montblanc 5y ago

Is that so much different than how the U.S operates, other than Israel is really fun to demonize? The U.S arms whoever it wants to arm, Europe as well. So selling F-15's is cool but cyber hacks isn't. Got it.

technobabbler 5y ago
There's definitely parallels to be drawn between the Israeli and the American conservative/right-wing/militant nationalist elements. Both countries operate as global bullies, using military force to subjugate externally and propaganda and fear of replacement to subjugate internally, heavily enhanced by the use of technology. They both have this old-guard mentality of "might makes right" hegemony, which a lot of other countries (and some portion of their populations) don't like because it's broadly incompatible with a human-rights centered worldview that favors the pipe dream of peaceful multilateral democracies. Count myself as someone who dislikes this approach. Whether it's planes or surveillance tech or reactor malware doesn't really matter, all just ammunition for their goals. Israel at least has a survival need; it learned the (very) hard way that it has many enemies constantly seeking to destroy it. It's an us-or-them mentality hardened by centuries of oppression and decades of war. America... now that's much harder to find an excuse for. And arguably we've spent all our resources on attacking Muslim scapegoats while China leapfrogs us. But hey, I don't make global policy, I just comment on it on the internet.
- einpoklum 5y ago
  > Israel at least has a survival need; Every state has a "survival need" > it learned the (very) hard way that it has many enemies constantly seeking to destroy it. While that might be true at the level of people in the Arab East, but as far as states are concerned, that isn't actually the case. Unfortunately, repressive governments in Jordan, Egypt and elsewhere are supportive of Israel; and Lebanon and Syria are effectively quiescent long-term. And that's despite Israel's best efforts to trigger enmity... > It's an us-or-them mentality hardened by centuries of oppression and decades of war. Israel has only existed for 73 years. And - it directly started most of the wars it fought; and one other was an attack to reclaim land occupied by a previous Israeli campaign. It's only the gulf war in which Israeli was "just attacked" (by Scud rockets from Iraq).
  - fortran77 5y ago
    This is not relevant to the subject, and full of lies. @dang -- clean up the thread