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No, the death rate in the ONS data from England is age adjusted. So among the same aged cohorts, the vaccinated are more likely to die than the unvaccinated. Al

No, the death rate in the ONS data from England is age adjusted. So among the same aged cohorts, the vaccinated are more likely to die than the unvaccinated. Almost twice as likely for the last 6 months straight.

bob_neumann 5y ago
I'm speaking specifically of the age 10 to 59 age group. For the last 6 months that age group, the vaccinated are almost twice as likely to die of any cause than the unvaccinated.
- pfg 5y ago
  That age group is too wide to make a meaningful comparison without standardising for age. Less than 10% of under-18s and less than 60% in the 18-24 age group have been fully vaccinated, whereas it's more than 80% for the 55-59 group. The unvaccinated population in that age group is significantly younger than the vaccinated population. As you would expect, older people tend to die more often. This is also mentioned in a footnote in the ONS data (and this is why they tend to focus on age-standardised figures).
  - guilhas 5y ago
    You could say the same for the covid death rate: generally saying that it is a deadly pandemic is misleading, because it disproportionately kills old and sick people, and those tend to die more often Is the average covid death rate age adjusted?
    - pfg 5y ago
      I don't understand your argument. When we're comparing "overall death rate in a world without COVID" to "death rate in a world with COVID", we're looking at the same population. We don't need to adjust for age if we're looking at the same population. This kind of misconception is so common it even has its own name: Simpson's paradox. It's laughable to think that the vaccinated population, compared to unvaccinated, is dying at the rate suggested by these numbers and no one is ringing the alarm.
mint2 5y ago
So other people point out some things specifically about age so please read those, is it also standardized for immune system status? Diabetes? Etc etc etc

bob_neumann 5y ago

I'm speaking specifically of the age 10 to 59 age group. For the last 6 months that age group, the vaccinated are almost twice as likely to die of any cause than the unvaccinated.

pfg 5y ago
That age group is too wide to make a meaningful comparison without standardising for age. Less than 10% of under-18s and less than 60% in the 18-24 age group have been fully vaccinated, whereas it's more than 80% for the 55-59 group. The unvaccinated population in that age group is significantly younger than the vaccinated population. As you would expect, older people tend to die more often. This is also mentioned in a footnote in the ONS data (and this is why they tend to focus on age-standardised figures).
- guilhas 5y ago
  You could say the same for the covid death rate: generally saying that it is a deadly pandemic is misleading, because it disproportionately kills old and sick people, and those tend to die more often Is the average covid death rate age adjusted?
  - pfg 5y ago
    I don't understand your argument. When we're comparing "overall death rate in a world without COVID" to "death rate in a world with COVID", we're looking at the same population. We don't need to adjust for age if we're looking at the same population. This kind of misconception is so common it even has its own name: Simpson's paradox. It's laughable to think that the vaccinated population, compared to unvaccinated, is dying at the rate suggested by these numbers and no one is ringing the alarm.

mint2 5y ago

So other people point out some things specifically about age so please read those, is it also standardized for immune system status? Diabetes? Etc etc etc