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What looks bad is having millions of people die and not learning how to prevent it in future. This should be a blameless post-mortem. Shit went wrong, this is h

What looks bad is having millions of people die and not learning how to prevent it in future. This should be a blameless post-mortem. Shit went wrong, this is how we fix it. Truth and reconciliation, not hide-behind-feels. The people who want to apportion blame grow stronger from all this cat and mouse.

coolspot 5y ago
Governments likely have it in form of top-secret intelligence reports for top decision makers.
xyzzy123 5y ago
Not easy to achieve though. If one or more parties are "responsible" then public sentiment (amplified by social media) will bring the pitchforks. That translates to political support and basically guarantees the election or increased support for certain types of politicians and response, which in turn will impact diplomacy. It would take some supreme social engineering to get society at large to accept the idea of a blameless post mortem. It's really not part of the broader cultural lexicon. Even companies struggle and they are much smaller and simpler systems. Responsibility and liability are intrinsically linked in the public mind.
- inter_netuser 5y ago
  and why shouldn't the responsible be liable? Reparations are OK for some things, but not for causing worldwide pandemics?
  - davisoneee 5y ago
    ..the point of the grandparent post is that if we emphasise _liability_, it's less likely we'll get any information. This is a common understanding in industries dealing with safety. If you want to _punish_, focus on blame. If you want to focus on _helping ensure the problem doesn't happen again_, remove the threat of blame. Also, mentioning reparations brings up ideas of ...current US political discussion... and is likely to polarise this discussion. Please try and keep this productive.
    - inter_netuser 5y ago
      We are WAAAAY past the industry problem. It's not a faulty Boeing or improperly constructed nuclear plant. This a problem of global proportions. We've had protracted wars over much smaller things in the past.

coolspot 5y ago

Governments likely have it in form of top-secret intelligence reports for top decision makers.

xyzzy123 5y ago

Not easy to achieve though. If one or more parties are "responsible" then public sentiment (amplified by social media) will bring the pitchforks. That translates to political support and basically guarantees the election or increased support for certain types of politicians and response, which in turn will impact diplomacy. It would take some supreme social engineering to get society at large to accept the idea of a blameless post mortem. It's really not part of the broader cultural lexicon. Even companies struggle and they are much smaller and simpler systems. Responsibility and liability are intrinsically linked in the public mind.

inter_netuser 5y ago
and why shouldn't the responsible be liable? Reparations are OK for some things, but not for causing worldwide pandemics?
- davisoneee 5y ago
  ..the point of the grandparent post is that if we emphasise _liability_, it's less likely we'll get any information. This is a common understanding in industries dealing with safety. If you want to _punish_, focus on blame. If you want to focus on _helping ensure the problem doesn't happen again_, remove the threat of blame. Also, mentioning reparations brings up ideas of ...current US political discussion... and is likely to polarise this discussion. Please try and keep this productive.
  - inter_netuser 5y ago
    We are WAAAAY past the industry problem. It's not a faulty Boeing or improperly constructed nuclear plant. This a problem of global proportions. We've had protracted wars over much smaller things in the past.