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This is an unnecessarily sanctimonious post in my opinion. If you're in favour of fresh restrictions then for how long? To what extent? How much collateral dama

This is an unnecessarily sanctimonious post in my opinion. If you're in favour of fresh restrictions then for how long? To what extent? How much collateral damage in terms of mental health, education, the economy, social cohesion etc are you willing to accept? Implying people are selfish after two years of sacrifice is a rather churlish angle, in my opinion people advocating for continuing restrictions need to put numbers and cost/benefit analyses forward rather than cheap appeals to emotion. Some people talk about these things as though they're inconsequential but the fact of the matter is that indefinite social distancing means effectively admitting we're going to permanently shutter swathes of the economy along with many cultural institutions that depend on high footfall. Indefinite masks means unprecedented levels of plastic pollution and difficulties for those with various disabilities. It's easy for us on HN who largely work remotely and earn high salaries to claim these measures are inconsequential but to many in other industries they are absolutely devestating.

abduhl 5y ago
Sigh, you just don't get it do you? There are other people in the world. Not one more death. Ever. If I could save an elderly grandparent by letting you die or your kids go uneducated or the environment get destroyed by plastic wastes, I would. Because it's not about me or you, it's about everyone else. How many more times do we have to explain this before you people get it???
- spurgu 5y ago
  It's been 2 years now, you're beating a dead horse. Time to look in the mirror. > Not one more death. Ever. This is insane. First of all this is an unrealistic/impossible goal. People die all the time. Dying is normal. Especially for elderly people. There's no way to stop people from dying from Covid, even if 100% of people were vaccinated. Get used to it.
  - BoxOfRain 5y ago
    I think the parent might have been a tad sarcastic!
    - spurgu 5y ago
      Eeeeh damnit, looks like you're right. Didn't even read the whole comment, got triggered right at the beginning. :D
Bud 5y ago
1) No, any sanctimony present (and there was none, really) was entirely necessary. 2) I actually made no argument in favor of "fresh restrictions", but that's a nice straw man you are weaving together, there! 3) I didn't "imply people are selfish". I said it, straight out. GP's stated view is ludicrously selfish and ignorant. 4) After two years of sacrifice? That's just it, though: some people still don't get it, as evidenced by the comment I replied to. 5) Nobody argued for "indefinite social distancing", but, again, great straw man. Similarly, I did not say or imply that these measures are "inconsequential". 6) Excuse me, but as a professional classical singer, I am actually part of the industry that is perhaps the most affected out of any industry out there, or at least, tied for that dubious honor. So I don't need any lectures from you. My entire field was wiped out for about 19 months and is only now starting to limp back.
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- BoxOfRain 5y ago
  Again, you're just moralising at me rather than answering my points in good faith. You cannot use this forum to deliver a sermon and whinge about getting a lecture back in response. Give me numbers, not platitudes.

abduhl 5y ago

Sigh, you just don't get it do you? There are other people in the world. Not one more death. Ever. If I could save an elderly grandparent by letting you die or your kids go uneducated or the environment get destroyed by plastic wastes, I would. Because it's not about me or you, it's about everyone else. How many more times do we have to explain this before you people get it???

spurgu 5y ago
It's been 2 years now, you're beating a dead horse. Time to look in the mirror. > Not one more death. Ever. This is insane. First of all this is an unrealistic/impossible goal. People die all the time. Dying is normal. Especially for elderly people. There's no way to stop people from dying from Covid, even if 100% of people were vaccinated. Get used to it.
- BoxOfRain 5y ago
  I think the parent might have been a tad sarcastic!
  - spurgu 5y ago
    Eeeeh damnit, looks like you're right. Didn't even read the whole comment, got triggered right at the beginning. :D

Bud 5y ago

1) No, any sanctimony present (and there was none, really) was entirely necessary. 2) I actually made no argument in favor of "fresh restrictions", but that's a nice straw man you are weaving together, there! 3) I didn't "imply people are selfish". I said it, straight out. GP's stated view is ludicrously selfish and ignorant. 4) After two years of sacrifice? That's just it, though: some people still don't get it, as evidenced by the comment I replied to. 5) Nobody argued for "indefinite social distancing", but, again, great straw man. Similarly, I did not say or imply that these measures are "inconsequential". 6) Excuse me, but as a professional classical singer, I am actually part of the industry that is perhaps the most affected out of any industry out there, or at least, tied for that dubious honor. So I don't need any lectures from you. My entire field was wiped out for about 19 months and is only now starting to limp back.

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BoxOfRain 5y ago
Again, you're just moralising at me rather than answering my points in good faith. You cannot use this forum to deliver a sermon and whinge about getting a lecture back in response. Give me numbers, not platitudes.