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We need to target the pos engineers and management at NSO, Finfisher, Hacking Group etc. who sell their souls for a fast buck. These pricks are likely already s
by Sporktacular 5y ago
We need to target the pos engineers and management at NSO, Finfisher, Hacking Group etc. who sell their souls for a fast buck. These pricks are likely already setting up the next corporate front for when this one collapses. Let's make the mercenary business a cripplingly expensive line of work.
- fortran77 5y ago"target them"? What are you proposing?
- jtsiskin 5y agoBased on context, and the phrase “expensive”, I assume they mean they want prosecution/legal action against the individual engineers and management. Not threatening
- tentacleuno 5y agoWouldn't it be better to target the one outfit (NSO), and not its workers? Then again, I suppose the workers would setup another underground business to do the same thing, with the same exploits, and the same people. What is the solution for this?
- Sporktacular 5y agoThe solution is go after its staff. For governments, standard CT/AML financial intelligence: identify employees, shareholders/UBOs and add them and subsequent companies they start to the various watchlists/blacklists. For the public: open source intelligence, post info on forums, name and shame etc.
- JohnFen 5y agoIf you work for a company that is engaging in bad behavior, the mud is on you as well.
- bjourne 5y agoAn often cited rule on HN is that you should assume the most charitable interpretation... Parent might be suggesting that those that make money on NSO Group's spyware should be treated in the same way that we treat others that make money on deeply immoral or illegal businesses. E.g it is not illegal to optimize online casinos to suck money out of gambling addicts, but many of us thinks that it is immoral.
- Sporktacular 5y agoFirstly, chill. Secondly, focus attention on them so they feel the legal, civil and reputational consequences (in line with the theme of this entire post) of their career choices. Draining a disgusting industry of expertise that it couldn't exist without. They made their choices. Their victims had none.
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- mopsi 5y agoBan them and their immediate family from everywhere: iCloud, Google, Instagram, Github, Cloudflare, Spotify, Steam, etc. Make them explain their kids that they can't play games on Xbox or listen to music on Spotify because their daddy is a terrorist.
- fortran77 5y agoTerrorist? Really? I think one can argue that they've likely saved many, many lives.
- kome 5y agoplease
- tclancy 5y agoWhose?
- Eelongate 5y agoThey support oppressive regimes with their products and services, thereby suppressing public revolts and preempting civil wars that doubtlessly would claim the lives of many. Very noble of them. /S
- montblanc 5y agoThe U.S supports the same regimes. The U.S made huge weapons deals with UAE, Saudi Arabia and more. Selling actual fighting jets that destroy thousands of people, not some cyber app.
- Eelongate 5y agoVery noble of the US as well, no doubt. Mercenaries and weapon merchants have earned their reputations.
- Sporktacular 5y ago
- sneak 5y agoRefuse to hire them, like I do for Facebook, Microsoft, and Raytheon/Booz/etc staff. Blog about their names and the work they do and their employer, so anyone searching for them on Google knows that they are military-industrial complex scumbags.
- montblanc 5y agoWait what? You don't hire people from Microsoft? Let's say I get Facebook (I don't really) but what's wrong with Microsoft? How about people who eat meat? Or vote for the other party - the one you don't like? Are you trying to hire people who are morally compatible with you on every single question? That's gonna be rough hiring. Even the weapons industry is a tough one. The knee jerk reaction says it's immoral to work for them. But after contemplating - if the U.S (or Europe, or anyone else) doesn't have an advanced military it will be taken over by its enemies (Chinese, Russians etc). Yes, the fact that "they" build their own militaries for the exact same reason is tragic. But if the U.S just dismantled it's arms industries what do you think would happen in a few decades?
- Sporktacular 5y agoDon't conflate NSO with a disciplined military. If you're looking for an analog try Xe/Blackwater/Academi/whatever it's now called.
- nier 5y agoThe thought of any military being advanced due to Microsoft’s help made me giggle. My opinion is that the best you can do is to hire people with a similar set of core values and there’s nothing wrong with everybody having their own ethical scale that they act upon accordingly.
- sneak 5y agoThe US military runs on Microsoft. The slides that Snowden leaked were PowerPoints.
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- technobabbler 5y agoStrongly-worded emails written by mediocre AI.