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> you will find vaccines inhibit viral spread Is this true? Countries like Singapore and Israel are seeing huge spikes in cases despite having some of the high

> you will find vaccines inhibit viral spread Is this true? Countries like Singapore and Israel are seeing huge spikes in cases despite having some of the highest vax rates. My suspicion is that vaccines have the downside of suppressing symptoms, thus making the vaxxed more likely to spread covid without knowing it.

scythe 5y ago
See e.g.: https://yourlocalepidemiologist.substack.com/p/how-vaccines-reduce-transmission https://yourlocalepidemiologist.substack.com/p/how-vaccines-... Country-level anecdata is basically useless without a multi-factor analysis due to huge differences in restrictions and self-directed prevention by the public.
- throwaway332211 5y ago
  He's saying that data showing an entire vaccinated country that's spreading covid faster than anywhere else is useless because it doesn't align with his politically motivated opinion. Another term for this is "cognitive dissonance", or "burying your head in the fucking sand". https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8481107/ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8481107/ https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.07.31.21261387v4 https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.07.31.21261387v... https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.11.12.21265796v1 https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.11.12.21265796v... https://doi.org/10.1016/S0140-6736(21)02243-1 https://doi.org/10.1016/S0140-6736(21)02243-1 https://stevekirsch.substack.com/p/new-study-from-germany-confirms-higher https://stevekirsch.substack.com/p/new-study-from-germany-co... https://www.ahajournals.org/doi/10.1161/circ.144.suppl_1.10712 https://www.ahajournals.org/doi/10.1161/circ.144.suppl_1.107...
golemiprague 5y ago
I find it very hard to derive any meaning from the data because there are so many other factors and many times we can't put our hand on the raw data. Specifically regrading Singapore or Israel, two very small and congested countries. Israel also have a very porous border with the west bank where many people are not vaccinated and the idea of personal space is very different in comparison to the US. It is also have two distinct communities, the Arabs and the Orthodox Jews, together are about 30% of the population, with huge families and certain cultural norms which can affect behaviours. I don't know if those factors are relevant or not but they certainly exist and almost every country has some varying factors like that.
spurgu 5y ago
Or Gibraltar which is 100% vaccinated.

scythe 5y ago

See e.g.: https://yourlocalepidemiologist.substack.com/p/how-vaccines-reduce-transmission https://yourlocalepidemiologist.substack.com/p/how-vaccines-... Country-level anecdata is basically useless without a multi-factor analysis due to huge differences in restrictions and self-directed prevention by the public.

throwaway332211 5y ago
He's saying that data showing an entire vaccinated country that's spreading covid faster than anywhere else is useless because it doesn't align with his politically motivated opinion. Another term for this is "cognitive dissonance", or "burying your head in the fucking sand". https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8481107/ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8481107/ https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.07.31.21261387v4 https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.07.31.21261387v... https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.11.12.21265796v1 https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.11.12.21265796v... https://doi.org/10.1016/S0140-6736(21)02243-1 https://doi.org/10.1016/S0140-6736(21)02243-1 https://stevekirsch.substack.com/p/new-study-from-germany-confirms-higher https://stevekirsch.substack.com/p/new-study-from-germany-co... https://www.ahajournals.org/doi/10.1161/circ.144.suppl_1.10712 https://www.ahajournals.org/doi/10.1161/circ.144.suppl_1.107...

golemiprague 5y ago

I find it very hard to derive any meaning from the data because there are so many other factors and many times we can't put our hand on the raw data. Specifically regrading Singapore or Israel, two very small and congested countries. Israel also have a very porous border with the west bank where many people are not vaccinated and the idea of personal space is very different in comparison to the US. It is also have two distinct communities, the Arabs and the Orthodox Jews, together are about 30% of the population, with huge families and certain cultural norms which can affect behaviours. I don't know if those factors are relevant or not but they certainly exist and almost every country has some varying factors like that.

spurgu 5y ago

Or Gibraltar which is 100% vaccinated.