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If you are under 30, it appears your risk of death is low regardless of your status, but you will not forever be under 30, and perhaps you know some over-30 for

by jrd259 5y ago

If you are under 30, it appears your risk of death is low regardless of your status, but you will not forever be under 30, and perhaps you know some over-30 for whom the difference in death rate is important? Even if there's no one you care about who is over 30, to the extent that vaccination also reduces your risk of infecting others, it is polite to your society to be vaccinated. Perhaps you get no great benefit, but others do.

ifyoubuildit 5y ago
Presumably the under 30s will get covid within a few years, and then they will be in the pool of people with significant immunity.
- SketchySeaBeast 5y ago
  Or they could vaccinate and have significant immunity nearly immediately without COVID.
  - ifyoubuildit 5y ago
    Yes, one of those two things will happen. The point is that the under 30s aren't likely to make it to a different age bracket where they are more significantly at risk without first achieving immunity in one of those ways.
enchiridion 5y ago
Does anyone have good stats to share on how vaccination impacts transmission? I’m curious.
- zwieback 5y ago
  https://www.thelancet.com/journals/laninf/article/PIIS1473-3099(21)00648-4/fulltext https://www.thelancet.com/journals/laninf/article/PIIS1473-3... Once a vaccinated person has a breakthrough infection they spread similarly but of course the chance to contract it is lower and the time to "virus clearance" is faster.
  - throwaway332211 5y ago
    Except that's not how Covid spreading actually works, and if you look at the relevant science it proves that vaccination status does not stop or slow the spread at all. It simply lowers the chances you'll experience symptoms, which renders any type of vaccine mandate as illogical and pointless. It actually shows that the vaccinated are the likely reason for the recent mass spreading...since while un-vaxxed are more likely to be in bed with symptoms away from other people while vaxxed are walking around town unknowingly spreading it to people at the grocery store. Anyone that supports vaccine mandates that take away people's livelihoods while denying this science that PROVES otherwise is an absolutely terrible human being. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8481107/ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8481107/ https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.07.31.21261387v4 https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.07.31.21261387v... https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.11.12.21265796v1 https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.11.12.21265796v... https://doi.org/10.1016/S0140-6736(21)02243-1 https://doi.org/10.1016/S0140-6736(21)02243-1 https://stevekirsch.substack.com/p/new-study-from-germany-confirms-higher https://stevekirsch.substack.com/p/new-study-from-germany-co... https://www.ahajournals.org/doi/10.1161/circ.144.suppl_1.10712 https://www.ahajournals.org/doi/10.1161/circ.144.suppl_1.107...
spurgu 5y ago
I was lying in bed for two days until I self-diagnosed with appendicitis and decided to go to the hospital. Turned out I was just in time. What I mean is I won't seek medical help unless absolutely possible (I live in EU countries where medical care is free). Due to this mindset (whether or not you think it's stupid, I don't really care) I'm simply not going to subscribe to having two boosters per year for the rest of my life. I've had two jabs now but as it looks like now I'm probably soon gonna start putting my immune system to work (and travel less as a result I suppose). There are studies indicating a previous infection provides a stronger and longer lasting response than the vaccine, although this is not definite yet - Israelis and the CDC have made opposing conclusions on this topic.

by jrd259 5y ago

ifyoubuildit 5y ago

Presumably the under 30s will get covid within a few years, and then they will be in the pool of people with significant immunity.

SketchySeaBeast 5y ago
Or they could vaccinate and have significant immunity nearly immediately without COVID.
- ifyoubuildit 5y ago
  Yes, one of those two things will happen. The point is that the under 30s aren't likely to make it to a different age bracket where they are more significantly at risk without first achieving immunity in one of those ways.

enchiridion 5y ago

Does anyone have good stats to share on how vaccination impacts transmission? I’m curious.

zwieback 5y ago
https://www.thelancet.com/journals/laninf/article/PIIS1473-3099(21)00648-4/fulltext https://www.thelancet.com/journals/laninf/article/PIIS1473-3... Once a vaccinated person has a breakthrough infection they spread similarly but of course the chance to contract it is lower and the time to "virus clearance" is faster.
- throwaway332211 5y ago
  Except that's not how Covid spreading actually works, and if you look at the relevant science it proves that vaccination status does not stop or slow the spread at all. It simply lowers the chances you'll experience symptoms, which renders any type of vaccine mandate as illogical and pointless. It actually shows that the vaccinated are the likely reason for the recent mass spreading...since while un-vaxxed are more likely to be in bed with symptoms away from other people while vaxxed are walking around town unknowingly spreading it to people at the grocery store. Anyone that supports vaccine mandates that take away people's livelihoods while denying this science that PROVES otherwise is an absolutely terrible human being. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8481107/ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8481107/ https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.07.31.21261387v4 https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.07.31.21261387v... https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.11.12.21265796v1 https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.11.12.21265796v... https://doi.org/10.1016/S0140-6736(21)02243-1 https://doi.org/10.1016/S0140-6736(21)02243-1 https://stevekirsch.substack.com/p/new-study-from-germany-confirms-higher https://stevekirsch.substack.com/p/new-study-from-germany-co... https://www.ahajournals.org/doi/10.1161/circ.144.suppl_1.10712 https://www.ahajournals.org/doi/10.1161/circ.144.suppl_1.107...

spurgu 5y ago

I was lying in bed for two days until I self-diagnosed with appendicitis and decided to go to the hospital. Turned out I was just in time. What I mean is I won't seek medical help unless absolutely possible (I live in EU countries where medical care is free). Due to this mindset (whether or not you think it's stupid, I don't really care) I'm simply not going to subscribe to having two boosters per year for the rest of my life. I've had two jabs now but as it looks like now I'm probably soon gonna start putting my immune system to work (and travel less as a result I suppose). There are studies indicating a previous infection provides a stronger and longer lasting response than the vaccine, although this is not definite yet - Israelis and the CDC have made opposing conclusions on this topic.