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I will just add, the author of the NYT piece has a book out on this subject. The book is decent, has some cringe worthy descriptions of technical things if you

by edge17 5y ago

I will just add, the author of the NYT piece has a book out on this subject. The book is decent, has some cringe worthy descriptions of technical things if you are a technical person, but overall I learned a huge amount reading it. A lot of the commentary, accusations, and opinions in the comments here would be addressed or better colored if you're interested enough to read her book (https://www.amazon.com/This-They-Tell-World-Ends/dp/1635576059 https://www.amazon.com/This-They-Tell-World-Ends/dp/16355760...). Also, just to be clear, one of the reasons I like the book is because it's written by a person that doesn't understand all the deep technical aspects of these things.

josephg 5y ago
If you want a more technical perspective, The Darknet Diaries did an episode a couple months ago about the NSO group: https://overcast.fm/+PMNc5Hr8c https://overcast.fm/+PMNc5Hr8c I discovered darknet diaries listening to that episode. It’s very accessible and excellent storytelling.
- edge17 5y ago
  I've listened to a bunch of those episodes. I agree, the host/creator does a fantastic job.
- martyvis 5y ago
  You actually want to listen to the previous episode to get context first https://darknetdiaries.com/episode/99/ https://darknetdiaries.com/episode/99/
threeseed 5y ago
> has some cringe worthy descriptions of technical things Par for the course when trying to explain things to non-technical people. People joke but you can see the thought process in explaining to a politician that the internet is a "series of tubes" for example.
- sam-2727 5y ago
  Reminds me of when the Oracle v. Google case was argued in front of the Supreme Court on a series of metaphors, among other things comparing Java to football teams: https://www.theverge.com/2020/10/9/21506172/oracle-google-java-supreme-court-hearings-oral-arguments-metaphors-qwerty https://www.theverge.com/2020/10/9/21506172/oracle-google-ja...
  - ls612 5y ago
    The justices clearly boned up on the technical aspects of the case though as their opinion shows a good grasp of what is going on in the underlying dispute over Android.

by edge17 5y ago

josephg 5y ago

If you want a more technical perspective, The Darknet Diaries did an episode a couple months ago about the NSO group: https://overcast.fm/+PMNc5Hr8c https://overcast.fm/+PMNc5Hr8c I discovered darknet diaries listening to that episode. It’s very accessible and excellent storytelling.

edge17 5y ago
I've listened to a bunch of those episodes. I agree, the host/creator does a fantastic job.
martyvis 5y ago
You actually want to listen to the previous episode to get context first https://darknetdiaries.com/episode/99/ https://darknetdiaries.com/episode/99/

threeseed 5y ago

> has some cringe worthy descriptions of technical things Par for the course when trying to explain things to non-technical people. People joke but you can see the thought process in explaining to a politician that the internet is a "series of tubes" for example.

sam-2727 5y ago
Reminds me of when the Oracle v. Google case was argued in front of the Supreme Court on a series of metaphors, among other things comparing Java to football teams: https://www.theverge.com/2020/10/9/21506172/oracle-google-java-supreme-court-hearings-oral-arguments-metaphors-qwerty https://www.theverge.com/2020/10/9/21506172/oracle-google-ja...
- ls612 5y ago
  The justices clearly boned up on the technical aspects of the case though as their opinion shows a good grasp of what is going on in the underlying dispute over Android.