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Whether unsavory people believe in something has zero bearing on whether it's true.

Loughla 5y ago
That's sort of covered by the second half, though >and there is not a lot of solid evidence in this case to argue in good faith beyond "theoretically possible." Also, bad faith arguments tend to be posited on the fact that they are incorrect. Otherwise they would just be arguments.
fragmede 5y ago
Unfortunately, the unsavory people don't live in a vacuum separate from us. If it ends up being true, then it's true, and whomever is President at the time will do what they can do. If it ends up being false, however, the people (generally Asian Americans) who have been maimed, or killed by those unsavory people in the meanwhile don't get an undo. Continued discussion with no new real evidence, like the situation with Hillary Clinton's emails, is propaganda, pure and simple.
- boppo1 5y ago
  I dunno, I always though the lab leak theory was less racist than laying blame at the feet of the dietary habits of low-income chinese.
  - systemvoltage 5y ago
    Which was also based on equal amounts of flaky evidence guided by the people that didn't want to associate themselves to the acting President at the time and his party. These people left truth behind, butchered science, eroded trust and sacrificed their integrity. In tough times, our leadership didn't stand up for the truth. I think the society would be far better off if we completely cut out politics and make it super boring. Relentless push to put behind this tribal warfare and serve the truth, however uncomfortable it may be. Lex Fridman's interview with the NIH director was eye-opening. They're acting like children. Of course, you can't see how unpopular it was because Youtube has hidden the dislikes. The cocktail of Big Tech + ruling party is equally as scary to me as Trumpism.
  - coupdejarnac 5y ago
    It's almost as if everyone has forgotten that the wet market/eating strange things hypothesis was concocted by the Chinese government. You guys should see the propaganda du jour- the Chinese government claims covid comes from deer in North America.
    - fragmede 5y ago
      it's almost as if they want us to hate each other! Hmm....
- refurb 5y ago
  So you’re saying we should hide the truth because if we don’t people may get hurt?
  - fragmede 5y ago
    No. And I write as much. There's not really any new new evidence so further discussion is stoking the fires of nationalism.
6gvONxR4sf7o 5y ago
It bears on the signal-to-noise ratio.

That's sort of covered by the second half, though >and there is not a lot of solid evidence in this case to argue in good faith beyond "theoretically possible." Also, bad faith arguments tend to be posited on the fact that they are incorrect. Otherwise they would just be arguments.

fragmede 5y ago

Unfortunately, the unsavory people don't live in a vacuum separate from us. If it ends up being true, then it's true, and whomever is President at the time will do what they can do. If it ends up being false, however, the people (generally Asian Americans) who have been maimed, or killed by those unsavory people in the meanwhile don't get an undo. Continued discussion with no new real evidence, like the situation with Hillary Clinton's emails, is propaganda, pure and simple.

boppo1 5y ago
I dunno, I always though the lab leak theory was less racist than laying blame at the feet of the dietary habits of low-income chinese.
- systemvoltage 5y ago
  Which was also based on equal amounts of flaky evidence guided by the people that didn't want to associate themselves to the acting President at the time and his party. These people left truth behind, butchered science, eroded trust and sacrificed their integrity. In tough times, our leadership didn't stand up for the truth. I think the society would be far better off if we completely cut out politics and make it super boring. Relentless push to put behind this tribal warfare and serve the truth, however uncomfortable it may be. Lex Fridman's interview with the NIH director was eye-opening. They're acting like children. Of course, you can't see how unpopular it was because Youtube has hidden the dislikes. The cocktail of Big Tech + ruling party is equally as scary to me as Trumpism.
- coupdejarnac 5y ago
  It's almost as if everyone has forgotten that the wet market/eating strange things hypothesis was concocted by the Chinese government. You guys should see the propaganda du jour- the Chinese government claims covid comes from deer in North America.
  - fragmede 5y ago
    it's almost as if they want us to hate each other! Hmm....
refurb 5y ago
So you’re saying we should hide the truth because if we don’t people may get hurt?
- fragmede 5y ago
  No. And I write as much. There's not really any new new evidence so further discussion is stoking the fires of nationalism.

6gvONxR4sf7o 5y ago

It bears on the signal-to-noise ratio.