> just right for botulinum and listeria But if it was frozen, wouldn't that kill off any bacteria? Then, as a sealed environment, there wouldn't be anything to

> just right for botulinum and listeria But if it was frozen, wouldn't that kill off any bacteria? Then, as a sealed environment, there wouldn't be anything to grow, even if the environment is just right. edit: ignore this comment, I just read how the spores are resistant to boiling/freezing...