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Presumably people are being more careful now. Would like to see some sort of news or legislation about this but I’m sure it’s unlikely.

dylan604 5y ago
And what kind of legislation would tickle your fancy? Intentional release is already legislated against. How do you legislate the prevention of accidents? Are you specifically talking about disclosure? I can get on board with that, but I'd be shocked if there's not already legislation around that. Now, the crux, whatever legislation you come up with, how does that apply to a foreign country?
- tombert 5y ago
  I know basically nothing about foreign policy at all, but just in the "tombert thought experiment" land I'm going to give my "asshole opinion" [1]. ----------- > Now, the crux, whatever legislation you come up with, how does that apply to a foreign country? Conceivably couldn't we do some kind of trade agreement/embargo on countries that don't follow a minimum level of disclosure/safety protocol? E.g. if country A is shown to have covered up a massive lab leak, we impose some kind of tariff on them for N days. Obviously there are no easy solutions to problems like this, but I think that would be the place I start, because obviously US law doesn't really apply to places outside of the US; the only thing we could do (at least the only thing that I could think of) that's even close to punitive enforcement would be to apply leverage. [1] "Opinions are like assholes; everyone's got one and most of them stink"
  - dylan604 5y ago
    >Conceivably couldn't we do some kind of trade agreement/embargo Imagine, if you will, a scenario where one country is manufacturing such a large percentage of products so that an embargo would cause massive disruptions to pretty much everyone everywhere. Now imagine that country being the suspect in a situation where the punishment is that very embargo. What do you do?
- merpnderp 5y ago
  Well for starters, the reason a lot of this research was pushed to China was congress had grown tired of finding ways to punish the CDC for lab leaks and mistakes here in the US. It was only recently that the CDC had been allowed to restart a lot of its more dangerous research. So how about the US stop funding dangerous research regardless of where it is at? Either the lab leak was true and this was a self-inflicted wound, or it was highly suspicious and uselessly dangerous research, as it didn't help us stop the pandemic.
  - dylan604 5y ago
    But in very weird round about way, it did allow us to see that mRNA technology is viable. So, happy little accident? Apologies to Bob.
    - nsxwolf 5y ago
      I used to think Mission:Impossible 2 was ridiculous, now it's one of my favorites.
- lelanthran 5y ago
  > And what kind of legislation would tickle your fancy? Intentional release is already legislated against. How do you legislate the prevention of accidents? That's a ridiculous line of reasoning: legislation helps mitigate accidents all the time. Pilots don't want their bird to fall out of the sky, and yet legislation around pilot training, practices and certification limited the number of accidents.
  - dylan604 5y ago
    That same logic also applies to automobiles. You must be licensed to drive, yet accidents happen daily/hourly accross the country. Fatal accidents are frequent. Laws will not save you 100% of the time. Your logic is flawed on the ridiculous side.
    - lelanthran 5y ago
      > That same logic also applies to automobiles. You must be licensed to drive, yet accidents happen daily/hourly accross the country. Fatal accidents are frequent. Laws will not save you 100% of the time. Your logic is flawed on the ridiculous side. It sounds like you're claiming that removing the requirement for drivers licenses would not change the percentage of accidents per driver. Are you?
redog 5y ago
> Presumably people are being more careful now Probably so, but just like hollywood and guns.

dylan604 5y ago

And what kind of legislation would tickle your fancy? Intentional release is already legislated against. How do you legislate the prevention of accidents? Are you specifically talking about disclosure? I can get on board with that, but I'd be shocked if there's not already legislation around that. Now, the crux, whatever legislation you come up with, how does that apply to a foreign country?

tombert 5y ago
I know basically nothing about foreign policy at all, but just in the "tombert thought experiment" land I'm going to give my "asshole opinion" [1]. ----------- > Now, the crux, whatever legislation you come up with, how does that apply to a foreign country? Conceivably couldn't we do some kind of trade agreement/embargo on countries that don't follow a minimum level of disclosure/safety protocol? E.g. if country A is shown to have covered up a massive lab leak, we impose some kind of tariff on them for N days. Obviously there are no easy solutions to problems like this, but I think that would be the place I start, because obviously US law doesn't really apply to places outside of the US; the only thing we could do (at least the only thing that I could think of) that's even close to punitive enforcement would be to apply leverage. [1] "Opinions are like assholes; everyone's got one and most of them stink"
- dylan604 5y ago
  >Conceivably couldn't we do some kind of trade agreement/embargo Imagine, if you will, a scenario where one country is manufacturing such a large percentage of products so that an embargo would cause massive disruptions to pretty much everyone everywhere. Now imagine that country being the suspect in a situation where the punishment is that very embargo. What do you do?
merpnderp 5y ago
Well for starters, the reason a lot of this research was pushed to China was congress had grown tired of finding ways to punish the CDC for lab leaks and mistakes here in the US. It was only recently that the CDC had been allowed to restart a lot of its more dangerous research. So how about the US stop funding dangerous research regardless of where it is at? Either the lab leak was true and this was a self-inflicted wound, or it was highly suspicious and uselessly dangerous research, as it didn't help us stop the pandemic.
- dylan604 5y ago
  But in very weird round about way, it did allow us to see that mRNA technology is viable. So, happy little accident? Apologies to Bob.
  - nsxwolf 5y ago
    I used to think Mission:Impossible 2 was ridiculous, now it's one of my favorites.
lelanthran 5y ago
> And what kind of legislation would tickle your fancy? Intentional release is already legislated against. How do you legislate the prevention of accidents? That's a ridiculous line of reasoning: legislation helps mitigate accidents all the time. Pilots don't want their bird to fall out of the sky, and yet legislation around pilot training, practices and certification limited the number of accidents.
- dylan604 5y ago
  That same logic also applies to automobiles. You must be licensed to drive, yet accidents happen daily/hourly accross the country. Fatal accidents are frequent. Laws will not save you 100% of the time. Your logic is flawed on the ridiculous side.
  - lelanthran 5y ago
    > That same logic also applies to automobiles. You must be licensed to drive, yet accidents happen daily/hourly accross the country. Fatal accidents are frequent. Laws will not save you 100% of the time. Your logic is flawed on the ridiculous side. It sounds like you're claiming that removing the requirement for drivers licenses would not change the percentage of accidents per driver. Are you?

redog 5y ago

> Presumably people are being more careful now Probably so, but just like hollywood and guns.