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>Why not invest in homegrown alternatives that bring the changes they want to see? I still want my government not to ignore abuses of foreign companies. I coul

>Why not invest in homegrown alternatives that bring the changes they want to see? I still want my government not to ignore abuses of foreign companies. I could make say a competitor to say Google or Apple messenger but to have a mobile application I need to first get approved by Apple and Google in their store, get access to same APIs. Then on top of that if I make a cool paid messenger app Apple and Google would tax me while their offer their shitty messengers for free because they abuse their dominance in a merket to compete in a different one. You know free market theory has some axioms, some of them are about competition and free markets(no monopolies or duopolies/cartels or same economic agent competing in many different markets using the dominance from A to screw competition in B) -> free market works IF and ONLY IF there is actually a free market.

BoorishBears 5y ago
If you actually read the comment chain above yours I go very in depth about why implying a lack of interop is an "abuse" is ludicrous. Checking abuses, sure, go for it. Arbitrarily setting up rules to collect a toll instead of just getting your car in the race, no. American companies shouldn't allow it, the American government should exert pressure when possible to avoid it. Even banning the services is better than that, at least there's some internal consistency to there. You don't get to start pissing in the pot because you don't have a plate.
- simion314 5y ago
  EU works different then US and as a citizen I am happy. For example I can use any ATM from any bank with super low fees, I can port my phone number to any network with 0 fees, when some garbage money exchange locations were printing ins super small fonts the fees our local politicians forced them to use giant fonts(I bet US marketing and bullshit entrepreneurs hate it when citizens using the laws force them to stop abusing them). The same way I can move my phone number I should be able to change my IM client, if you are a US company that does not care about us poor EU citizens then feel free to go away. Conclusion, if even in my local country we the citizens vote some people and demand of them to stop the giant tech to screw us over then you either respect it or go away, but you have your right to complain and I have the right to tell you that you are missing the point. About competing, as I said before, I was thinking to start a open free music platform , where muysicians can sell their stuff without 0 parasites sucking the profits, but I can't do that because of Apple and Google that will always suck 30% from the creators and this profits will go to enrich some billionaires in countries that do not respect human rights, kill journalists and do other crimes. I can't implement my dream because of unfair competition.
  - BoorishBears 5y ago
    Most of this comment seems to be off-topic ranting because you're personally upset rather than have any meaningful point. Let me address the only on-topic words mentioned: > demand of them to stop the giant tech to screw us over A lack of federation is not screwing people over. End of discussion full stop. If you want me to elaborate, feel free to read the hundreds of words above where I do, it's simply not screwing people over to not offer a largely unused and ignored interface to your product. I don't care if countries want to put a stop to the _actual_ problems arising from tech, inventing new ones is a no go. - Also this is a game of chicken that's hilarious to me... your country can always block these tech companies. If it's just as simple as "respect it or go away", well obviously they're out of line already... so block them? They don't get blocked because the citizens of these countries need them. If Europe had invested in tech as heavily as China they could block them too. But they didn't... so now it's not quite as simple as "do as we say or go".
    - simion314 5y ago
      Even if giants and fanboys hate it, countries can force them to implement tech solutions, even US does it (I think they forced companies to add the Unsubscribe things to the emails , I bet you did not like citizens forcing the programers implement the Unsubscribe, it is such a big work where you could have spend it sending even more spam and more tracking) But we will see if Apple, Google ,Facebook will leave EU or will try to screw us over but in a different way.
      - BoorishBears 5y ago
        I guess the off topic ranting just comes down to the fact the US owns the EU via tech and the military? Well since we implemented the unsubscribe things are looking shaky for FAANG, but not to worry, such wonderfully open and free regimes such as Russia and China will be happy to take over co-parenting the EU with Germany.
        simion314 5y ago

BoorishBears 5y ago

If you actually read the comment chain above yours I go very in depth about why implying a lack of interop is an "abuse" is ludicrous. Checking abuses, sure, go for it. Arbitrarily setting up rules to collect a toll instead of just getting your car in the race, no. American companies shouldn't allow it, the American government should exert pressure when possible to avoid it. Even banning the services is better than that, at least there's some internal consistency to there. You don't get to start pissing in the pot because you don't have a plate.

simion314 5y ago
EU works different then US and as a citizen I am happy. For example I can use any ATM from any bank with super low fees, I can port my phone number to any network with 0 fees, when some garbage money exchange locations were printing ins super small fonts the fees our local politicians forced them to use giant fonts(I bet US marketing and bullshit entrepreneurs hate it when citizens using the laws force them to stop abusing them). The same way I can move my phone number I should be able to change my IM client, if you are a US company that does not care about us poor EU citizens then feel free to go away. Conclusion, if even in my local country we the citizens vote some people and demand of them to stop the giant tech to screw us over then you either respect it or go away, but you have your right to complain and I have the right to tell you that you are missing the point. About competing, as I said before, I was thinking to start a open free music platform , where muysicians can sell their stuff without 0 parasites sucking the profits, but I can't do that because of Apple and Google that will always suck 30% from the creators and this profits will go to enrich some billionaires in countries that do not respect human rights, kill journalists and do other crimes. I can't implement my dream because of unfair competition.
- BoorishBears 5y ago
  Most of this comment seems to be off-topic ranting because you're personally upset rather than have any meaningful point. Let me address the only on-topic words mentioned: > demand of them to stop the giant tech to screw us over A lack of federation is not screwing people over. End of discussion full stop. If you want me to elaborate, feel free to read the hundreds of words above where I do, it's simply not screwing people over to not offer a largely unused and ignored interface to your product. I don't care if countries want to put a stop to the _actual_ problems arising from tech, inventing new ones is a no go. - Also this is a game of chicken that's hilarious to me... your country can always block these tech companies. If it's just as simple as "respect it or go away", well obviously they're out of line already... so block them? They don't get blocked because the citizens of these countries need them. If Europe had invested in tech as heavily as China they could block them too. But they didn't... so now it's not quite as simple as "do as we say or go".
  - simion314 5y ago
    Even if giants and fanboys hate it, countries can force them to implement tech solutions, even US does it (I think they forced companies to add the Unsubscribe things to the emails , I bet you did not like citizens forcing the programers implement the Unsubscribe, it is such a big work where you could have spend it sending even more spam and more tracking) But we will see if Apple, Google ,Facebook will leave EU or will try to screw us over but in a different way.
    - BoorishBears 5y ago
      I guess the off topic ranting just comes down to the fact the US owns the EU via tech and the military? Well since we implemented the unsubscribe things are looking shaky for FAANG, but not to worry, such wonderfully open and free regimes such as Russia and China will be happy to take over co-parenting the EU with Germany.
      - simion314 5y ago