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> If you're comfortable with running Windows 11,you're already sharing more data than... Do you know of any good writeups on the details of Windows 11 data sha

> If you're comfortable with running Windows 11,you're already sharing more data than... Do you know of any good writeups on the details of Windows 11 data sharing?

no_time 5y ago
How about MS stealing executables and running them on their own servers on the default config of win10? If you had a build of your own application with hardcoded keys in the binary, there is a high chance MS has it now. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=21180019 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=21180019
- echelon 5y ago
  That's absolutely appalling. I used to exempt Microsoft as the "one good MAGMA" under Nadella's leadership, but they're clearly stepping back into evil territory: - stealing your Windows files and secrets - capturing our industry with Github (the development ecosystem is accreting here) - Github Co-pilot training on GPL - Microsoft pay website injection in Edge - heinous Xbox DRM - LinkedIn is still scummy and full of anti-patterns
  - vkou 5y ago
    > - Github Co-pilot training on GPL Why is training Github on GPL bad, but training a language model on public domain books and texts not? Edit: Thank you for explaining the problem.
    - ayushnix 5y ago
      Is CoPilot and its models open source like the GPL software it trains on are? There's a difference between public domain and GPL. You can do whatever you want with public domain works and nobody can say otherwise. That's not the case with GPL.
    - LogonType10 5y ago
      Because code derived from GPL code is also GPL. Co-pilot (sometimes) intelligently copies and pastes GPL code.
      - laumars 5y ago
        > Because code derived from GPL code is also GPL. I’m not happy with the Co-Pilot situation either but for the sake of correctness it should it should be pointed out that your point hasn’t actually been tested in court with regards to machine learning. In fact some lawyers have suggested the GPL might not cover that particular scenario.
        onkoe 5y ago
        No one should want to test this - it's terrifying for companies and developers alike.
        laumars 5y ago
        I think it’s better we do know because that should lead to refinements in licences (eg a GPLv4 that explicitly allows humans to write original works conceptually based off content read but not derived from code from; while explicitly disallowing code use for machine learning except where the published work is also licensed GPL).
      - sam0x17 5y ago
        It's funny too because GitHub definitely knows the license for every single code sample in their database -- they could easily incorporate this
mmh0000 5y ago
Straight from the horse's mouth: https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/privacy/required-windows-11-diagnostic-events-and-fields https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/privacy/required-wi... Keep in mind, this is what is logged if you select "basic" telemetry. By default Windows logs even more than what is detailed there. It is an insane amount of data.

> If you're comfortable with running Windows 11,you're already sharing more data than... Do you know of any good writeups on the details of Windows 11 data sharing?

no_time 5y ago

How about MS stealing executables and running them on their own servers on the default config of win10? If you had a build of your own application with hardcoded keys in the binary, there is a high chance MS has it now. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=21180019 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=21180019

echelon 5y ago
That's absolutely appalling. I used to exempt Microsoft as the "one good MAGMA" under Nadella's leadership, but they're clearly stepping back into evil territory: - stealing your Windows files and secrets - capturing our industry with Github (the development ecosystem is accreting here) - Github Co-pilot training on GPL - Microsoft pay website injection in Edge - heinous Xbox DRM - LinkedIn is still scummy and full of anti-patterns
- vkou 5y ago
  > - Github Co-pilot training on GPL Why is training Github on GPL bad, but training a language model on public domain books and texts not? Edit: Thank you for explaining the problem.
  - ayushnix 5y ago
    Is CoPilot and its models open source like the GPL software it trains on are? There's a difference between public domain and GPL. You can do whatever you want with public domain works and nobody can say otherwise. That's not the case with GPL.
  - LogonType10 5y ago
    Because code derived from GPL code is also GPL. Co-pilot (sometimes) intelligently copies and pastes GPL code.
    - laumars 5y ago
      > Because code derived from GPL code is also GPL. I’m not happy with the Co-Pilot situation either but for the sake of correctness it should it should be pointed out that your point hasn’t actually been tested in court with regards to machine learning. In fact some lawyers have suggested the GPL might not cover that particular scenario.
      - onkoe 5y ago
        No one should want to test this - it's terrifying for companies and developers alike.
        laumars 5y ago
        I think it’s better we do know because that should lead to refinements in licences (eg a GPLv4 that explicitly allows humans to write original works conceptually based off content read but not derived from code from; while explicitly disallowing code use for machine learning except where the published work is also licensed GPL).
    - sam0x17 5y ago
      It's funny too because GitHub definitely knows the license for every single code sample in their database -- they could easily incorporate this

mmh0000 5y ago

Straight from the horse's mouth: https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/privacy/required-windows-11-diagnostic-events-and-fields https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/privacy/required-wi... Keep in mind, this is what is logged if you select "basic" telemetry. By default Windows logs even more than what is detailed there. It is an insane amount of data.