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Is it just me or have rounds been getting much larger these days?

ryanSrich 5y ago
They’ve been ballooning for years. Seed rounds are now $3-$10m, A rounds are $20-$50m, etc. The amount of money flowing into venture capital is unprecedented. I run a startup that raised a seed round in June. I’m a co-founder but I’m our CTO, not CEO and I still get 5-10 emails per day from random VCs asking if we need funding. There’s no way this ends well. But I think it’ll take a decade to shake out.
- ewuhic 5y ago
  How much of a networking does one have to do to achieve such a number? And is your product past MVP?
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  - ryanSrich 5y ago
    My co-founder and I ran a startup before this, which was also VC-backed, so we had around 6+ years of networking built up from that. You meet hundreds of VCs along the way. So it was never an issue of finding investment for this new venture. It was finding the right investors. We raised our pre-seed round in 2020 without anything, just a pitch deck, and fully remote. We didn't meet our investors in person until several months after closing on the round. We raised our Seed this June based on having roughly 100 companies using our product, a good percentage paying us. So while I wouldn't say we raised our Seed round with PMF, we were (and are) showing signs of PMF. So yeah, our product is a bit past the MVP stage, but not by much. We still have bugs that come up almost every day, and we fix them as fast as we can. However, the product has matured greatly in the last six months.
    - ewuhic 5y ago
      And what does the "right innvestors" mean in this context, if, I assume, the thickness of the wallet is not an issue here?
      - ryanSrich 5y ago
        It’s a few things. - positive reputation. Other founders enjoyed their experience. - provide value through their network. This is the foundation YC built themselves on. Investors that introduce you to paying customers, other founders, other investors, etc. - leave you alone and only help when you ask for it. These are the best types of investors. They provide advice only when you ask. Those are the most important things.
  - vmception 5y ago
    you have to look like money in the environment you are raising capital in, in which case the networking is more fruitful and your company can be more flimsy. if you have a different physical look or unfamiliar background, the metrics for your existing company are way more important and the bar is much much higher and the multiples investors accept are way way lower. or just do a crypto version, which is much more inclusive, global, faster, and leapfrogs this rodeo.
- MadeThisToReply 5y ago
  > There’s no way this ends well How do you think it will end?
  - cj 5y ago
    Not the original poster, but economies work in cycles... so eventually money won't be free, and funding won't be so easy. When that happens, lots of VC-fueled companies will shut down. In other words, I think it ends with a return to a funding climate similar to 2015-2016 where money was available, but money also wasn't free. And financing rounds were smaller.
  - randomsilence 5y ago
    Aren't we close to an abundance of energy and thus a huge expansion of the economy? There will be much more resources that can be bought with money, so money will be worth more, compensating for any bubble that is created right now.
tata71 5y ago
Investors always buy when there is blood in the streets.
- carnitine 5y ago
  But the current environment is about as far from blood in the streets as is possible. ATHs for practically everything.

They’ve been ballooning for years. Seed rounds are now $3-$10m, A rounds are $20-$50m, etc. The amount of money flowing into venture capital is unprecedented. I run a startup that raised a seed round in June. I’m a co-founder but I’m our CTO, not CEO and I still get 5-10 emails per day from random VCs asking if we need funding. There’s no way this ends well. But I think it’ll take a decade to shake out.

ewuhic 5y ago
How much of a networking does one have to do to achieve such a number? And is your product past MVP?
- deleted 5y ago
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- ryanSrich 5y ago
  My co-founder and I ran a startup before this, which was also VC-backed, so we had around 6+ years of networking built up from that. You meet hundreds of VCs along the way. So it was never an issue of finding investment for this new venture. It was finding the right investors. We raised our pre-seed round in 2020 without anything, just a pitch deck, and fully remote. We didn't meet our investors in person until several months after closing on the round. We raised our Seed this June based on having roughly 100 companies using our product, a good percentage paying us. So while I wouldn't say we raised our Seed round with PMF, we were (and are) showing signs of PMF. So yeah, our product is a bit past the MVP stage, but not by much. We still have bugs that come up almost every day, and we fix them as fast as we can. However, the product has matured greatly in the last six months.
  - ewuhic 5y ago
    And what does the "right innvestors" mean in this context, if, I assume, the thickness of the wallet is not an issue here?
    - ryanSrich 5y ago
      It’s a few things. - positive reputation. Other founders enjoyed their experience. - provide value through their network. This is the foundation YC built themselves on. Investors that introduce you to paying customers, other founders, other investors, etc. - leave you alone and only help when you ask for it. These are the best types of investors. They provide advice only when you ask. Those are the most important things.
- vmception 5y ago
  you have to look like money in the environment you are raising capital in, in which case the networking is more fruitful and your company can be more flimsy. if you have a different physical look or unfamiliar background, the metrics for your existing company are way more important and the bar is much much higher and the multiples investors accept are way way lower. or just do a crypto version, which is much more inclusive, global, faster, and leapfrogs this rodeo.
MadeThisToReply 5y ago
> There’s no way this ends well How do you think it will end?
- cj 5y ago
  Not the original poster, but economies work in cycles... so eventually money won't be free, and funding won't be so easy. When that happens, lots of VC-fueled companies will shut down. In other words, I think it ends with a return to a funding climate similar to 2015-2016 where money was available, but money also wasn't free. And financing rounds were smaller.
- randomsilence 5y ago
  Aren't we close to an abundance of energy and thus a huge expansion of the economy? There will be much more resources that can be bought with money, so money will be worth more, compensating for any bubble that is created right now.

tata71 5y ago

Investors always buy when there is blood in the streets.

carnitine 5y ago
But the current environment is about as far from blood in the streets as is possible. ATHs for practically everything.