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> And regularly get their card security schemes busted. It was wild west, proper ones were never cracked to my knowledge. But it's probably safe to say because

by xaduha 5y ago

> And regularly get their card security schemes busted. It was wild west, proper ones were never cracked to my knowledge. But it's probably safe to say because of that they are as secure as they are now. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conditional_access#Digital_systems https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conditional_access#Digital_sys... > there currently is no tag-based authentication that can't be cloned. Smartcards use ISO 14443, not NFC. Those are related standards I think. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ISO/IEC_14443 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ISO/IEC_14443 MIFARE tags and cards (which you can clone) are not smartcards (which you can't clone) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MIFARE https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MIFARE

Mindwipe 5y ago
> It was wild west, proper ones were never cracked to my knowledge. Some did, some got close. Most card based systems have to replace the cards every five years or so when their intel suggests groups are getting nearer cracking them. Ultimately the reason is cost. The conditional access vendors who work on those cards spend a lot lot lot of money on it because that's their entire business and they need to work for a long time or you pay out tens of millions in postage and support. Most chipset vendors shrug their shoulders after two years because it's out of support and they don't care, everyone else gets broken too. In this case Nintendo probably got some significant compensation of Nvidia that hurt them, but it was Nvidia's first real go at it and they fluffed it.
- xaduha 5y ago
  > Most card based systems have to replace the cards every five years or so when their intel suggests groups are getting nearer cracking them. Do they still? Proper smartcards like javacards can be updated by the receiver, it wouldn't affect existing customers if there's a protocol version change or something like that. It's pirates and missed revenue they need to worry about. In any case with internet so widespread those satellite TV networks were on their way out for a long time.

by xaduha 5y ago

Mindwipe 5y ago

> It was wild west, proper ones were never cracked to my knowledge. Some did, some got close. Most card based systems have to replace the cards every five years or so when their intel suggests groups are getting nearer cracking them. Ultimately the reason is cost. The conditional access vendors who work on those cards spend a lot lot lot of money on it because that's their entire business and they need to work for a long time or you pay out tens of millions in postage and support. Most chipset vendors shrug their shoulders after two years because it's out of support and they don't care, everyone else gets broken too. In this case Nintendo probably got some significant compensation of Nvidia that hurt them, but it was Nvidia's first real go at it and they fluffed it.

xaduha 5y ago
> Most card based systems have to replace the cards every five years or so when their intel suggests groups are getting nearer cracking them. Do they still? Proper smartcards like javacards can be updated by the receiver, it wouldn't affect existing customers if there's a protocol version change or something like that. It's pirates and missed revenue they need to worry about. In any case with internet so widespread those satellite TV networks were on their way out for a long time.