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Any people from developing countries reading this thread? What are your thoughts when you hear Westerners talking about the danger of leaving a meat out of the

Any people from developing countries reading this thread? What are your thoughts when you hear Westerners talking about the danger of leaving a meat out of the fridge for a couple of hours and stuff like that?

kaetemi 5y ago
My wife leaves meat out of the fridge for the practically the whole day...
swiftcoder 5y ago
As long as it’s not vacuum sealed, you can leave it on the counter all day. Even in the west we defrost meat this way :)
- IntrepidWorm 5y ago
  Ahhh... Don't tell the health department. :)
- astura 5y ago
  No "we" don't. That is expressly against USDA guidelines that say meat left in the danger zone[1] for more than 2 hours should not be consumed. I don't eat meat, but my husband does, and he defrosts his meat in the fridge. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Danger_zone_(food_safety) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Danger_zone_(food_safety)
martopix 5y ago
We are talking about leaving meat out of the fridge in a sealed anaerobic environment, which is quite different.
soneca 5y ago
No thoughts about the fish, but I was recently very surprised to learn that some people exclude my country, Brazil, from “western” culture. Like you did opposing “developing” and “westerners”. Aside from geographical position, I certainly feel closer in culture to North America and Europe than to Middle-East or East-Asia cultures. Every time I hear a statement with ”in the western culture…” I always identify myself with it.
- anonnyj 5y ago
  So what do you, in your western culture, do with meat?
rmbyrro 5y ago
There are western developing countries. And those who live there and read HN probably never faced the issues you have in mind for "developing countries".
spacechild1 5y ago
Huh? In Austrian supermarkets meat just lies in a cool counter and you ask the staff to cut you some pieces. Additionally, there would be some packed meat in a fridge. I think it's the same in most European countries, I guess?
alienthrowaway 5y ago
I think it's weird how the US put offloads most of the responsibility for preventing diseases to the supply chain and buyer, and not closer to the source. Lack of refrigerated trucks and unreliable power supply means we cannot rely on temperature being kept below specific temperatures. As a result, the regulations, processing and packaging are all work in tandem for safe food these conditions,e.g. regulations on how animals are reared, transported slaughtered, pasteurization and vacuum packaging. As an example, there are multiple brands of milk that's shelf-stable for months at room temperature. > What are your thoughts when you hear Westerners talking about the danger of leaving a meat out of the fridge for a couple of hours and stuff like that? It's not any different from the anywhere in the world, you have to be careful about how you handle food, or you will have a bad time.

kaetemi 5y ago

My wife leaves meat out of the fridge for the practically the whole day...

swiftcoder 5y ago

As long as it’s not vacuum sealed, you can leave it on the counter all day. Even in the west we defrost meat this way :)

IntrepidWorm 5y ago
Ahhh... Don't tell the health department. :)
astura 5y ago
No "we" don't. That is expressly against USDA guidelines that say meat left in the danger zone[1] for more than 2 hours should not be consumed. I don't eat meat, but my husband does, and he defrosts his meat in the fridge. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Danger_zone_(food_safety) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Danger_zone_(food_safety)

martopix 5y ago

We are talking about leaving meat out of the fridge in a sealed anaerobic environment, which is quite different.

soneca 5y ago

No thoughts about the fish, but I was recently very surprised to learn that some people exclude my country, Brazil, from “western” culture. Like you did opposing “developing” and “westerners”. Aside from geographical position, I certainly feel closer in culture to North America and Europe than to Middle-East or East-Asia cultures. Every time I hear a statement with ”in the western culture…” I always identify myself with it.

anonnyj 5y ago
So what do you, in your western culture, do with meat?

rmbyrro 5y ago

There are western developing countries. And those who live there and read HN probably never faced the issues you have in mind for "developing countries".

spacechild1 5y ago

Huh? In Austrian supermarkets meat just lies in a cool counter and you ask the staff to cut you some pieces. Additionally, there would be some packed meat in a fridge. I think it's the same in most European countries, I guess?

alienthrowaway 5y ago

I think it's weird how the US put offloads most of the responsibility for preventing diseases to the supply chain and buyer, and not closer to the source. Lack of refrigerated trucks and unreliable power supply means we cannot rely on temperature being kept below specific temperatures. As a result, the regulations, processing and packaging are all work in tandem for safe food these conditions,e.g. regulations on how animals are reared, transported slaughtered, pasteurization and vacuum packaging. As an example, there are multiple brands of milk that's shelf-stable for months at room temperature. > What are your thoughts when you hear Westerners talking about the danger of leaving a meat out of the fridge for a couple of hours and stuff like that? It's not any different from the anywhere in the world, you have to be careful about how you handle food, or you will have a bad time.