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Might want to refresh your reading on this. AFAIK this is reference to one (unpublished) study where undergrad wine science students tended to choose from a lis

Might want to refresh your reading on this. AFAIK this is reference to one (unpublished) study where undergrad wine science students tended to choose from a list of descriptive terms usually associated with red wine to refer to dyed white wine, most of the time. It's certainly true that suggestion can change ones perception of wine (or any flavor), but I don't think it's clear that it's the primary factor.

jpp 5y ago
Yes, this is correct —- it’s actually a fascinating study, but the translation from French was done poorly and then the English-speaking media ran with the clickbait version. The original study finds that the terms we use for flavor (partly) encode the tuple of flavor and color. That is, given two identical smelling / tasting liquids, subjects will pick different vocabulary to describe the flavor when the liquid is red vs clear.
smt88 5y ago
There appears to be abundant evidence that wine-tasting is largely nonsense, including experiments done on wine judges: https://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2013/jun/23/wine-tasting-junk-science-analysis https://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2013/jun/23/wine-ta...
- phonypc 5y ago
  There's evidence that wine judging is less objective than most people involved in it seem to believe. I'm not sure that justifies calling it nonsense, or misrepresenting a study as showing that experienced people can't even distinguish white from red.
  - smt88 5y ago
    The link I provided does not cite that study.
    - phonypc 5y ago
      It does actually, but that wasn't really my point in referring to it. More that the GP post misrepresenting the study isn't justified by other evidence of a lack of rigour in the field.
hellbannedguy 5y ago
I have lost count of the studies that can't tell the difference between a Fine wine, vs 2 buck chuck. (To the alcoholics out there, whom have tried all the programs, etc., to no avail, but want to cut back. There's a box white wine in most large grocery stores that has 9% alcohol. Most wine is 12% up to 17% I believe. It doesn't taste great, but that's a good thing, and it's pretty hard to develop a problem with it.)

jpp 5y ago

Yes, this is correct —- it’s actually a fascinating study, but the translation from French was done poorly and then the English-speaking media ran with the clickbait version. The original study finds that the terms we use for flavor (partly) encode the tuple of flavor and color. That is, given two identical smelling / tasting liquids, subjects will pick different vocabulary to describe the flavor when the liquid is red vs clear.

smt88 5y ago

There appears to be abundant evidence that wine-tasting is largely nonsense, including experiments done on wine judges: https://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2013/jun/23/wine-tasting-junk-science-analysis https://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2013/jun/23/wine-ta...

phonypc 5y ago
There's evidence that wine judging is less objective than most people involved in it seem to believe. I'm not sure that justifies calling it nonsense, or misrepresenting a study as showing that experienced people can't even distinguish white from red.
- smt88 5y ago
  The link I provided does not cite that study.
  - phonypc 5y ago
    It does actually, but that wasn't really my point in referring to it. More that the GP post misrepresenting the study isn't justified by other evidence of a lack of rigour in the field.

hellbannedguy 5y ago

I have lost count of the studies that can't tell the difference between a Fine wine, vs 2 buck chuck. (To the alcoholics out there, whom have tried all the programs, etc., to no avail, but want to cut back. There's a box white wine in most large grocery stores that has 9% alcohol. Most wine is 12% up to 17% I believe. It doesn't taste great, but that's a good thing, and it's pretty hard to develop a problem with it.)