Look I think our main disagreement comes from here: > People create things that they want to use themselves, not because they have to satisfy KPIs about number

Look I think our main disagreement comes from here: > People create things that they want to use themselves, not because they have to satisfy KPIs about number of users to their management. Instead, for me it is more something like: "I create things for the community, including my mum who, back in the 90's, could never learn how to program her VCR". Well, I've never contributed to any Linux distro but I contributed to a few OSS projects and I usually have that kind of goal in my mind. Regarding the feature phones problem, I believe there are a few "new" feature phones that support new network standards, I will dig the links up, I'm a bit of an Amish when it comes to phones so I have researched this topic multiple times in the past (but eventually decided to go for the PinePhone instead). The browser is not going to be great of course, but should be serviceable in most cases. Edit: these are some of the feature phones I have evaluated, they all support 4G, at the time I did not have browser or camera among the requirements so some of those don't have them: https://www.nttdocomo.co.jp/english/product/feature_phone/ky01l/ https://www.nttdocomo.co.jp/english/product/feature_phone/ky... This one has no camera https://www.thelightphone.com/ https://www.thelightphone.com/ this one has no browser or camera https://mudita.com/products/phones/mudita-pure/ https://mudita.com/products/phones/mudita-pure/ Unfortunately still says "pre order", so not viable right now https://www.nokia.com/phones/en_au/feature-phones https://www.nokia.com/phones/en_au/feature-phones All models have camera, browser[1] and 4G, unfortunately they come with some unwelcome preinstalled software, such as Whatsapp and Google Maps. PS the link brings you to the Australian website, if you are in the US replace "_au" with "_us" in the URL, the selection of models is slightly different. [1] all except the 225 have KaiOS Browser which from what I've read is serviceable for basic browsing, the 225 apparently comes with a lightweight browser based on Opera Mini which is unable to render correctly most websites so it would be only useful strictly as an "emergency" browser.