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> Yay! Monarchy! Network states will only be like monarchy if you assume everyone will be a member of a single one and that it is impossible to leave the one y

by gfodor 5y ago

> Yay! Monarchy! Network states will only be like monarchy if you assume everyone will be a member of a single one and that it is impossible to leave the one you are a member of. Which is to say it will be nothing like monarchy: people will be members of many of them (with varying degrees of depth) and joining and leaving will be fully at-will. I'm not sure if analogies are useful here, probably not.

jayd16 5y ago
Hmm, we're all parts of online communities with some owner. Being a part of many of them doesn't quite mitigate the downsides you expect from a monarchy.
dsr_ 5y ago
Pshaw. It takes less than 30 seconds to conceptualize a network-state-cult that demands loyalty in the form of keeping all your material wealth in their cryptocurrency, which curiously is more convertible from other currencies and less convertible to them, unless you have special status within the state-cult. Humans love to be tribal, and right wing authoritarian followers love to prove their loyalty and defend the group against all accusations.
- gfodor 5y ago
  Sure, that’d be a cult, not a monarchy. You join a cult. You’re born into a monarchy.
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jimkleiber 5y ago
From my understanding, monarchy means "ruling of one"[0] and while people could belong to many groups, it seems as each group could be ruled by one. If I were to join many networks states, each which was ruled by one person, then I would just belong to multiple monarchies, I'd assume. [0]: https://www.etymonline.com/word/monarchy#etymonline_v_17430 https://www.etymonline.com/word/monarchy#etymonline_v_17430
- DenisM 5y ago
  Is corporation a monarchy?
  - jimkleiber 5y ago
    Ooo, I don't know. I'd say in theory, no, at least for public corporations, as many have boards who ultimately decide who is the CEO. However, sometimes the CEO is the Chairman of the board and has a controlling share of the stocks (or votes) and yeah, may at least feel like a monarchy. I'm not too sure what the difference is between monarchy and authoritarian, I've often used the latter when looking at some companies. Others, however, can be much more democratic or else. Now I'm curious to see if there are any papers comparing company governance to nation governance using the same terms.
    - DenisM 5y ago
      I was introduced to the concept by this book: https://www.amazon.com/Corporations-Examples-Explanations-Alan-Palmiter/dp/1454802472 https://www.amazon.com/Corporations-Examples-Explanations-Al... But it’s probably a lot more than you bargained for.
      - jimkleiber 5y ago
        Sweet, checking it out now. Although Amazon doesn't have a preview, Google Books does: https://books.google.com/books?id=VC8E5JOGC3QC&printsec=frontcover#v=onepage&q&f=false https://books.google.com/books?id=VC8E5JOGC3QC&printsec=fron...
        DenisM 5y ago
        I hope that helps. The book was illuminating to me, despite it being a textbook for law students, which I never was.
- gfodor 5y ago
  Ah fair. I guess I can’t know if the OP was pulling in an assumption that people would be tied to a single monarch, given historical monarchies were based on physical dominions.

by gfodor 5y ago

jayd16 5y ago

Hmm, we're all parts of online communities with some owner. Being a part of many of them doesn't quite mitigate the downsides you expect from a monarchy.

dsr_ 5y ago

Pshaw. It takes less than 30 seconds to conceptualize a network-state-cult that demands loyalty in the form of keeping all your material wealth in their cryptocurrency, which curiously is more convertible from other currencies and less convertible to them, unless you have special status within the state-cult. Humans love to be tribal, and right wing authoritarian followers love to prove their loyalty and defend the group against all accusations.

gfodor 5y ago
Sure, that’d be a cult, not a monarchy. You join a cult. You’re born into a monarchy.
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jimkleiber 5y ago

From my understanding, monarchy means "ruling of one"[0] and while people could belong to many groups, it seems as each group could be ruled by one. If I were to join many networks states, each which was ruled by one person, then I would just belong to multiple monarchies, I'd assume. [0]: https://www.etymonline.com/word/monarchy#etymonline_v_17430 https://www.etymonline.com/word/monarchy#etymonline_v_17430

DenisM 5y ago
Is corporation a monarchy?
- jimkleiber 5y ago
  Ooo, I don't know. I'd say in theory, no, at least for public corporations, as many have boards who ultimately decide who is the CEO. However, sometimes the CEO is the Chairman of the board and has a controlling share of the stocks (or votes) and yeah, may at least feel like a monarchy. I'm not too sure what the difference is between monarchy and authoritarian, I've often used the latter when looking at some companies. Others, however, can be much more democratic or else. Now I'm curious to see if there are any papers comparing company governance to nation governance using the same terms.
  - DenisM 5y ago
    I was introduced to the concept by this book: https://www.amazon.com/Corporations-Examples-Explanations-Alan-Palmiter/dp/1454802472 https://www.amazon.com/Corporations-Examples-Explanations-Al... But it’s probably a lot more than you bargained for.
    - jimkleiber 5y ago
      Sweet, checking it out now. Although Amazon doesn't have a preview, Google Books does: https://books.google.com/books?id=VC8E5JOGC3QC&printsec=frontcover#v=onepage&q&f=false https://books.google.com/books?id=VC8E5JOGC3QC&printsec=fron...
      - DenisM 5y ago
        I hope that helps. The book was illuminating to me, despite it being a textbook for law students, which I never was.
gfodor 5y ago
Ah fair. I guess I can’t know if the OP was pulling in an assumption that people would be tied to a single monarch, given historical monarchies were based on physical dominions.