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That is the tricky bit isn't it. In other aspects of life we clearly accept a certain amount of death and injury risk so as to allow things to happen. Think ca

That is the tricky bit isn't it. In other aspects of life we clearly accept a certain amount of death and injury risk so as to allow things to happen. Think cars, motorbikes, planes etc. They do all result in events where people die. But we keep them because they provide a lot of utility to many many people. My view: Lockdowns absolutely help avoid disasters. But they are a temporary measure. Lockdown while people get vaxxed, procedures updated and social adoption of masks can occur and any other handy measure. Then the lockdowns have to be eased to shift the risk mitigation load onto these other measures. This is a complicated task. Every country/zone will have different trade offs. Everyone will have an opinion backed by an example from somewhere else. I think the best we can do is: - avoid disaster - give people a fair and equitable chance to save themselves via vaccination - implement sensible measures where possible/socially acceptable - open up slowly, adjust as neccessary - sadly, let the deliberately, knowingly unvaccinated fall as they may. While avoiding disaster...

spookthesunset 5y ago
> procedures updated and social adoption of masks can occur and any other handy measure So forced masks forever?
- _carbyau_ 5y ago
  You jumped on that particular point huh? My comment was primarily about lockdowns. Lockdowns AND masks are but tools for preventing COVID. Maybe you lockdown supertight until leadership decisions figured out, communicated and logistically sorted out. One of those decisions may be that some lockdown restrictions can be eased if people wear masks. IE relax one mitigation measure by using another. But that's up to each society to decide for themselves. My own opinion, once everyone is vaccinated as best as they will, ease lockdowns and mask usage in stages so that vaccines can be tested in real world conditions for effectiveness AND hospitalisation rates are kept under control. In an ideal future with covid, we'd have perfect vaccines, zero lockdown and zero masks. In reality, I think we can get pretty close but with vaccine booster shots instead.

spookthesunset 5y ago

> procedures updated and social adoption of masks can occur and any other handy measure So forced masks forever?

_carbyau_ 5y ago
You jumped on that particular point huh? My comment was primarily about lockdowns. Lockdowns AND masks are but tools for preventing COVID. Maybe you lockdown supertight until leadership decisions figured out, communicated and logistically sorted out. One of those decisions may be that some lockdown restrictions can be eased if people wear masks. IE relax one mitigation measure by using another. But that's up to each society to decide for themselves. My own opinion, once everyone is vaccinated as best as they will, ease lockdowns and mask usage in stages so that vaccines can be tested in real world conditions for effectiveness AND hospitalisation rates are kept under control. In an ideal future with covid, we'd have perfect vaccines, zero lockdown and zero masks. In reality, I think we can get pretty close but with vaccine booster shots instead.