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I think this suffers from the same problem that most technology based proposals suffer from: it reinvents something that already exist. >First, form a social n

I think this suffers from the same problem that most technology based proposals suffer from: it reinvents something that already exist. >First, form a social network around a clear leader, a proven centralized mechanism for dispute resolution in a decentralized world. Yay! Monarchy! >Since anyone can found a network state, just like anyone can found a tech company or cryptocurrency, the legitimacy of this leader comes from whether people have opted in to follow them. And if you don't like it, go off an invent facebook yourself! If you're tech-literate surely you understand network effects and first mover advantage. Hell, why are you even centralizing at all, if the whole thing is centered around a decentralized blockchain? Why not decentralize adjudication (oh shit, I invented trial by a jury of your piers). I really wish people would focus on exploiting what technology does well, rather than focusing on re-implementing what we've already done, but worse. Local governance isn't great, but I suspect no one involved in this understands anything about the problems, hence why they spend no time thinking about how to solve them.

gfodor 5y ago
> Yay! Monarchy! Network states will only be like monarchy if you assume everyone will be a member of a single one and that it is impossible to leave the one you are a member of. Which is to say it will be nothing like monarchy: people will be members of many of them (with varying degrees of depth) and joining and leaving will be fully at-will. I'm not sure if analogies are useful here, probably not.
- jayd16 5y ago
  Hmm, we're all parts of online communities with some owner. Being a part of many of them doesn't quite mitigate the downsides you expect from a monarchy.
- dsr_ 5y ago
  Pshaw. It takes less than 30 seconds to conceptualize a network-state-cult that demands loyalty in the form of keeping all your material wealth in their cryptocurrency, which curiously is more convertible from other currencies and less convertible to them, unless you have special status within the state-cult. Humans love to be tribal, and right wing authoritarian followers love to prove their loyalty and defend the group against all accusations.
  - gfodor 5y ago
    Sure, that’d be a cult, not a monarchy. You join a cult. You’re born into a monarchy.
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- jimkleiber 5y ago
  From my understanding, monarchy means "ruling of one"[0] and while people could belong to many groups, it seems as each group could be ruled by one. If I were to join many networks states, each which was ruled by one person, then I would just belong to multiple monarchies, I'd assume. [0]: https://www.etymonline.com/word/monarchy#etymonline_v_17430 https://www.etymonline.com/word/monarchy#etymonline_v_17430
  - DenisM 5y ago
    Is corporation a monarchy?
    - jimkleiber 5y ago
      Ooo, I don't know. I'd say in theory, no, at least for public corporations, as many have boards who ultimately decide who is the CEO. However, sometimes the CEO is the Chairman of the board and has a controlling share of the stocks (or votes) and yeah, may at least feel like a monarchy. I'm not too sure what the difference is between monarchy and authoritarian, I've often used the latter when looking at some companies. Others, however, can be much more democratic or else. Now I'm curious to see if there are any papers comparing company governance to nation governance using the same terms.
      - DenisM 5y ago
        I was introduced to the concept by this book: https://www.amazon.com/Corporations-Examples-Explanations-Alan-Palmiter/dp/1454802472 https://www.amazon.com/Corporations-Examples-Explanations-Al... But it’s probably a lot more than you bargained for.
        jimkleiber 5y ago
        Sweet, checking it out now. Although Amazon doesn't have a preview, Google Books does: https://books.google.com/books?id=VC8E5JOGC3QC&printsec=frontcover#v=onepage&q&f=false https://books.google.com/books?id=VC8E5JOGC3QC&printsec=fron...
hervature 5y ago
Is jury of your piers how they resolve conflicts in international waters?
- javajosh 5y ago
  "Your honor, this jury selection cannot continue because the defendant has no piers."
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gfodor 5y ago

> Yay! Monarchy! Network states will only be like monarchy if you assume everyone will be a member of a single one and that it is impossible to leave the one you are a member of. Which is to say it will be nothing like monarchy: people will be members of many of them (with varying degrees of depth) and joining and leaving will be fully at-will. I'm not sure if analogies are useful here, probably not.

jayd16 5y ago
Hmm, we're all parts of online communities with some owner. Being a part of many of them doesn't quite mitigate the downsides you expect from a monarchy.
dsr_ 5y ago
Pshaw. It takes less than 30 seconds to conceptualize a network-state-cult that demands loyalty in the form of keeping all your material wealth in their cryptocurrency, which curiously is more convertible from other currencies and less convertible to them, unless you have special status within the state-cult. Humans love to be tribal, and right wing authoritarian followers love to prove their loyalty and defend the group against all accusations.
- gfodor 5y ago
  Sure, that’d be a cult, not a monarchy. You join a cult. You’re born into a monarchy.
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jimkleiber 5y ago
From my understanding, monarchy means "ruling of one"[0] and while people could belong to many groups, it seems as each group could be ruled by one. If I were to join many networks states, each which was ruled by one person, then I would just belong to multiple monarchies, I'd assume. [0]: https://www.etymonline.com/word/monarchy#etymonline_v_17430 https://www.etymonline.com/word/monarchy#etymonline_v_17430
- DenisM 5y ago
  Is corporation a monarchy?
  - jimkleiber 5y ago
    Ooo, I don't know. I'd say in theory, no, at least for public corporations, as many have boards who ultimately decide who is the CEO. However, sometimes the CEO is the Chairman of the board and has a controlling share of the stocks (or votes) and yeah, may at least feel like a monarchy. I'm not too sure what the difference is between monarchy and authoritarian, I've often used the latter when looking at some companies. Others, however, can be much more democratic or else. Now I'm curious to see if there are any papers comparing company governance to nation governance using the same terms.
    - DenisM 5y ago
      I was introduced to the concept by this book: https://www.amazon.com/Corporations-Examples-Explanations-Alan-Palmiter/dp/1454802472 https://www.amazon.com/Corporations-Examples-Explanations-Al... But it’s probably a lot more than you bargained for.
      - jimkleiber 5y ago
        Sweet, checking it out now. Although Amazon doesn't have a preview, Google Books does: https://books.google.com/books?id=VC8E5JOGC3QC&printsec=frontcover#v=onepage&q&f=false https://books.google.com/books?id=VC8E5JOGC3QC&printsec=fron...

hervature 5y ago

Is jury of your piers how they resolve conflicts in international waters?

javajosh 5y ago
"Your honor, this jury selection cannot continue because the defendant has no piers."
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