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In the US a judge needs to provide much less to the public, "probable cause". My tinfoil/ CSI tv experience/ common sense tells me you can show a fellow human

In the US a judge needs to provide much less to the public, "probable cause". My tinfoil/ CSI tv experience/ common sense tells me you can show a fellow human being something naughty, like illegal sting results, in private if you exert good judgement before, during and after the meeting. Edit: Where I live, search warrants aren't required by the police. Which is a good thing (for regular people) provided the inaccessibility and corruption of the judicial power.

jaywalk 5y ago
The legal bar for probable cause in the US is higher than almost anywhere else in the world. If you're saying that cops and judges collaborate to get search warrants based on evidence they both know was obtained illegally... sure? It probably does happen on occasion, but I doubt it happens nearly as much as you seem to think it does.
- 1cvmask 5y ago
  There is no bar for FISA courts which is essentially a rubber stamp court: FISC meets in secret, and approves or denies requests for search warrants. Only the number of warrants applied for, issued and denied, is reported. In 1980 (the first full year after its inception), it approved 322 warrants.[27] This number has steadily grown to 2,224 warrants in 2006.[28] In the period 1979–2006, a total of 22,990 applications for warrants were made to the Court of which 22,985 were approved (sometimes with modifications; or with the splitting up, or combining, of warrants for legal purposes), and only 5 were definitively rejected. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foreign_Intelligence_Surveillance_Act https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foreign_Intelligence_Surveilla... - As for probable cause they just sidestep such niceties all the time using many many tricks including buying data from your carriers and credit card providers. https://www.cato.org/policy-analysis/stingray-new-frontier-police-surveillance https://www.cato.org/policy-analysis/stingray-new-frontier-p...
  - jaywalk 5y ago
    FISA courts are 100% unconstitutional BS that needs to be abolished.

jaywalk 5y ago

The legal bar for probable cause in the US is higher than almost anywhere else in the world. If you're saying that cops and judges collaborate to get search warrants based on evidence they both know was obtained illegally... sure? It probably does happen on occasion, but I doubt it happens nearly as much as you seem to think it does.

1cvmask 5y ago
There is no bar for FISA courts which is essentially a rubber stamp court: FISC meets in secret, and approves or denies requests for search warrants. Only the number of warrants applied for, issued and denied, is reported. In 1980 (the first full year after its inception), it approved 322 warrants.[27] This number has steadily grown to 2,224 warrants in 2006.[28] In the period 1979–2006, a total of 22,990 applications for warrants were made to the Court of which 22,985 were approved (sometimes with modifications; or with the splitting up, or combining, of warrants for legal purposes), and only 5 were definitively rejected. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foreign_Intelligence_Surveillance_Act https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foreign_Intelligence_Surveilla... - As for probable cause they just sidestep such niceties all the time using many many tricks including buying data from your carriers and credit card providers. https://www.cato.org/policy-analysis/stingray-new-frontier-police-surveillance https://www.cato.org/policy-analysis/stingray-new-frontier-p...
- jaywalk 5y ago
  FISA courts are 100% unconstitutional BS that needs to be abolished.