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Tutanota is now free for open source projects

53 points by NmAmDa 5y ago

nojs 5y ago
I want to like Tutanota but the UI is really bad. Basic things like search, threaded emails, resizing/changing the viewport are buggy or impossible and there’s no alternative desktop client. I don’t think it’s a realistic option for heavy email users at the moment.
- russdpale 5y ago
  yeh this is why I unsubscribed. The UI is simply awful.
  - BerlinInterface 5y ago
    It's the Berlin, or Hannover, probably, cynicism. If they can't have a good mileu, you can't have any good things, as a client or user. Berlin and Hannover are cynical people you know! < 3
- iechoz6H 5y ago
  That and the name, I got tired of; "Tooter what?" "Tutanota." "Can you spell that please?"
  - kube-system 5y ago
    Just use a custom domain. This is generally a good idea anyway; you can take your address to any email provider whenever you want.
  - culi 5y ago
    They let you use @tuta.io
invalidname 5y ago
Secure email service. Would be nice to actually mention that in the title...
- httpsterio 5y ago
  Hacker news has a rule about not editorializing headlines, they have to be posted as they are on the linked site. A lot of the users this affects are most likely also familiar with tutanota's services I'd guess.
  - CRConrad 5y ago
    > Hacker news has a rule about not editorializing headlines, they have to be posted as they are on the linked site. I added some small editorialising to a headline I posted a few hours ago, and it wasn't removed... But changed into different, and IMO worse, editorialising: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=29342306 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=29342306 went from "Is the new 16-inch MacBook Pro a pro-only machine? (+Video)", where the addition in parentheses was meant to indicate "Also includes video", to "Is the new 16-inch MacBook Pro a pro-only machine? [video]", which to me seems to imply it's only a video clip. But Idunno, maybe the latter idiom is usually read in the sense I meant on here.
thepill 5y ago
Still waiting to be able to import existing mails (would like to switch from protonmail)....
LVDOVICVS 5y ago
After I gave up running my own mail server I started used Tutanota for my small personal domain. They're cheap and reliable in my experience.
throwaway81523 5y ago
I don't understand this thing about encrypting stored email if the other person receives it or saves a copy in the clear. Most of the time, the other person is on gmail, so there is a plaintext copy of your email on a google server, and everything that implies. The two big hassles of self-hosting email are incoming spam on the receiving side, and deliverability issues on the sending due to very aggressive antispam measures at the big email providers. Hosted email services' product is basically continuous maintenance of spam filtering on the receiving side, and e.g. building IP reputation and retrying failed deliveries through a clean IP pool on the sending side. Merely running an IMAP or SMTP server without these efforts is comparatively easy. So it seems to me sufficient to use a privacy-conscious hosted provider for filtering and SMTP but not for storage, and handle storage yourself. I'm currently not doing that due to laziness but it seems like a proper and feasible thing to do. There isn't much point going overboard when the traffic is general purpose email, where the weakest link will usually be at the other person's end (and out of your control) rather than at your end.
- ppseafield 5y ago
  If you opt to send an encrypted message outside of Tutanota, first you set a password, then it sends a link to a special inbox where the user can use the password to log in and reply. The message's contents don't ever get sent in the clear, and only their encrypted contents get stored on Tutanota's servers.
  - throwaway81523 5y ago
    That's not really email then (in the sense of interoperating with the email standards). It's more like a web based private message system with everything on one server. In that case though, why store anything on servers at all? Store everything on the clients instead. I believe there are some systems that do that.
    - ppseafield 5y ago
      It is more like that, but from the Tutanota user's standpoint, it acts like regular email and shows up in their inbox. It's all stored on their server so you can log in from any browser.
ptidhomme 5y ago
The most important feature Tutanota lacks is offline usage, IMHO. You can't access your email if you have a poor or nonexistent connection.
culi 5y ago
What made me end up choosing Tutanota over Protonmail was that the free tier gave 1GB of storage (compared to Protonmail's 500MB). I've been using it for my primary email for over a year now and haven't had any major issues with it. The desktop and mobile apps feel pretty solid to me though I'm not a particularly heavy email user.
p2p_astroturf 5y ago
The only email provider worth 2 shits is unironically cock.li. Tutanota is some wacky shit that deletes your email address after inactivity, asks you to pay to get it back, and doesn't support POP3/IMAP/SMTP. All in the name of the nonsense that is website based e2e crypto. This is how dead email is (dead as in insufferable, not unprofitable). And there is no alternative. This is how dead software is. Blame wh*tes. How many hapas have you seen setup such a cesspool of an industry in the field with the lowest capital requirements for innovation?

53 points by NmAmDa 5y ago

nojs 5y ago

I want to like Tutanota but the UI is really bad. Basic things like search, threaded emails, resizing/changing the viewport are buggy or impossible and there’s no alternative desktop client. I don’t think it’s a realistic option for heavy email users at the moment.

russdpale 5y ago
yeh this is why I unsubscribed. The UI is simply awful.
- BerlinInterface 5y ago
  It's the Berlin, or Hannover, probably, cynicism. If they can't have a good mileu, you can't have any good things, as a client or user. Berlin and Hannover are cynical people you know! < 3
iechoz6H 5y ago
That and the name, I got tired of; "Tooter what?" "Tutanota." "Can you spell that please?"
- kube-system 5y ago
  Just use a custom domain. This is generally a good idea anyway; you can take your address to any email provider whenever you want.
- culi 5y ago
  They let you use @tuta.io

invalidname 5y ago

Secure email service. Would be nice to actually mention that in the title...

httpsterio 5y ago
Hacker news has a rule about not editorializing headlines, they have to be posted as they are on the linked site. A lot of the users this affects are most likely also familiar with tutanota's services I'd guess.
- CRConrad 5y ago
  > Hacker news has a rule about not editorializing headlines, they have to be posted as they are on the linked site. I added some small editorialising to a headline I posted a few hours ago, and it wasn't removed... But changed into different, and IMO worse, editorialising: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=29342306 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=29342306 went from "Is the new 16-inch MacBook Pro a pro-only machine? (+Video)", where the addition in parentheses was meant to indicate "Also includes video", to "Is the new 16-inch MacBook Pro a pro-only machine? [video]", which to me seems to imply it's only a video clip. But Idunno, maybe the latter idiom is usually read in the sense I meant on here.

thepill 5y ago

Still waiting to be able to import existing mails (would like to switch from protonmail)....

LVDOVICVS 5y ago

After I gave up running my own mail server I started used Tutanota for my small personal domain. They're cheap and reliable in my experience.

throwaway81523 5y ago

I don't understand this thing about encrypting stored email if the other person receives it or saves a copy in the clear. Most of the time, the other person is on gmail, so there is a plaintext copy of your email on a google server, and everything that implies. The two big hassles of self-hosting email are incoming spam on the receiving side, and deliverability issues on the sending due to very aggressive antispam measures at the big email providers. Hosted email services' product is basically continuous maintenance of spam filtering on the receiving side, and e.g. building IP reputation and retrying failed deliveries through a clean IP pool on the sending side. Merely running an IMAP or SMTP server without these efforts is comparatively easy. So it seems to me sufficient to use a privacy-conscious hosted provider for filtering and SMTP but not for storage, and handle storage yourself. I'm currently not doing that due to laziness but it seems like a proper and feasible thing to do. There isn't much point going overboard when the traffic is general purpose email, where the weakest link will usually be at the other person's end (and out of your control) rather than at your end.

ppseafield 5y ago
If you opt to send an encrypted message outside of Tutanota, first you set a password, then it sends a link to a special inbox where the user can use the password to log in and reply. The message's contents don't ever get sent in the clear, and only their encrypted contents get stored on Tutanota's servers.
- throwaway81523 5y ago
  That's not really email then (in the sense of interoperating with the email standards). It's more like a web based private message system with everything on one server. In that case though, why store anything on servers at all? Store everything on the clients instead. I believe there are some systems that do that.
  - ppseafield 5y ago
    It is more like that, but from the Tutanota user's standpoint, it acts like regular email and shows up in their inbox. It's all stored on their server so you can log in from any browser.

ptidhomme 5y ago

The most important feature Tutanota lacks is offline usage, IMHO. You can't access your email if you have a poor or nonexistent connection.

culi 5y ago

What made me end up choosing Tutanota over Protonmail was that the free tier gave 1GB of storage (compared to Protonmail's 500MB). I've been using it for my primary email for over a year now and haven't had any major issues with it. The desktop and mobile apps feel pretty solid to me though I'm not a particularly heavy email user.

p2p_astroturf 5y ago

The only email provider worth 2 shits is unironically cock.li. Tutanota is some wacky shit that deletes your email address after inactivity, asks you to pay to get it back, and doesn't support POP3/IMAP/SMTP. All in the name of the nonsense that is website based e2e crypto. This is how dead email is (dead as in insufferable, not unprofitable). And there is no alternative. This is how dead software is. Blame wh*tes. How many hapas have you seen setup such a cesspool of an industry in the field with the lowest capital requirements for innovation?