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People will also deny that Wine is an emulator, and people will also claim that whatever tinc does is not an VPN because it doesnt hide your IP when watching po

People will also deny that Wine is an emulator, and people will also claim that whatever tinc does is not an VPN because it doesnt hide your IP when watching porn. My coworker denied DOS is an operating system because it doesn't have virtual memory and paging. all nonsense ... People generally aren't good with subtle differences, i guess. I've given up explaining it to people.

capableweb 5y ago
> People will also deny that Wine is an emulator Of course they will, it's even in the name! Wine Is Not an Emulator
- blueflow 5y ago
  Assuming you are not being sarcastic: Wine is imitating the windows libary interface. It literally is an emulator: "To strive to equal or excel, especially through imitation". Wine devs had to to the renaming because people incorrectly read it as "it runs in a virtual machine" for no reason.
  - 10000truths 5y ago
    So... it's a WinAPI emulator?
    - deleted 5y ago
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  - zaat 5y ago
    Well, the project's website clearly isn't with agreement with you. > Wine (originally an acronym for "Wine Is Not an Emulator") https://www.winehq.org/about https://www.winehq.org/about
    - blueflow 5y ago
      [deleted: sick of arguing as explained in grandparent]
      - zaat 5y ago
        I know the old version from memory, but there is nothing in there that say it was ever short for windows emulator. It is quite clear from the history that it was named not emulator since day 1, to emphasize that it doesn't have true emulation layer that will make it slow.
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        munch117 5y ago
        It doesn't have a CPU emulation layer, but that doesn't mean it's not a emulator. The name always stood for "WINE Is Not an Emulator", I'm with you on that. Self-referential acronyms were extremely fashionable back when WINE started out.
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        zaat 5y ago
        Actually blueflow deleted comment referenced the following interesting link (PDF, page 3) which shows that the acronym came very shortly after the name, seems that the project was named wine very early without concrete meaning, and the self-referential acronym followed soon. As far as I can tell it was never Windows Emulator. https://wiki.winehq.org/images/5/5c/Wineconf-2018.pdf https://wiki.winehq.org/images/5/5c/Wineconf-2018.pdf Before wine, there was wabi for Solaris, and wine was implementation of the same idea for Linux. wabi is indeed more correct name, since it is an ABI layer (despite Solaris claim to the contrary, the motives for might be legal reasons). https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wabi_(software) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wabi_(software)
tryauuum 5y ago
This made me question my belief that DOS is an operating system. If it cannot run programs with (fake) parallelism and doesn't have virtual memory...
- deleted 5y ago
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- zaat 5y ago
  Well, if it isn't operating system, than what is it exactly?
  - giantrobot 5y ago
    A runtime library.
  - hdjjhhvvhga 5y ago
    A good base to develop an RTOS[0] for example with RTKernel[1] on some hardware. [0] https://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Embedded_Systems/Common_RTOS/DOS https://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Embedded_Systems/Common_RTOS/D... [1] http://www.on-time.com/rtkernel-dos.htm http://www.on-time.com/rtkernel-dos.htm

capableweb 5y ago

> People will also deny that Wine is an emulator Of course they will, it's even in the name! Wine Is Not an Emulator

blueflow 5y ago
Assuming you are not being sarcastic: Wine is imitating the windows libary interface. It literally is an emulator: "To strive to equal or excel, especially through imitation". Wine devs had to to the renaming because people incorrectly read it as "it runs in a virtual machine" for no reason.
- 10000truths 5y ago
  So... it's a WinAPI emulator?
  - deleted 5y ago
    [deleted]
- zaat 5y ago
  Well, the project's website clearly isn't with agreement with you. > Wine (originally an acronym for "Wine Is Not an Emulator") https://www.winehq.org/about https://www.winehq.org/about
  - blueflow 5y ago
    [deleted: sick of arguing as explained in grandparent]
    - zaat 5y ago
      I know the old version from memory, but there is nothing in there that say it was ever short for windows emulator. It is quite clear from the history that it was named not emulator since day 1, to emphasize that it doesn't have true emulation layer that will make it slow.
      - deleted 5y ago
        [deleted]
      - munch117 5y ago
        It doesn't have a CPU emulation layer, but that doesn't mean it's not a emulator. The name always stood for "WINE Is Not an Emulator", I'm with you on that. Self-referential acronyms were extremely fashionable back when WINE started out.
        deleted 5y ago
        [deleted]
        zaat 5y ago
        Actually blueflow deleted comment referenced the following interesting link (PDF, page 3) which shows that the acronym came very shortly after the name, seems that the project was named wine very early without concrete meaning, and the self-referential acronym followed soon. As far as I can tell it was never Windows Emulator. https://wiki.winehq.org/images/5/5c/Wineconf-2018.pdf https://wiki.winehq.org/images/5/5c/Wineconf-2018.pdf Before wine, there was wabi for Solaris, and wine was implementation of the same idea for Linux. wabi is indeed more correct name, since it is an ABI layer (despite Solaris claim to the contrary, the motives for might be legal reasons). https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wabi_(software) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wabi_(software)

tryauuum 5y ago

This made me question my belief that DOS is an operating system. If it cannot run programs with (fake) parallelism and doesn't have virtual memory...

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zaat 5y ago
Well, if it isn't operating system, than what is it exactly?
- giantrobot 5y ago
  A runtime library.
- hdjjhhvvhga 5y ago
  A good base to develop an RTOS[0] for example with RTKernel[1] on some hardware. [0] https://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Embedded_Systems/Common_RTOS/DOS https://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Embedded_Systems/Common_RTOS/D... [1] http://www.on-time.com/rtkernel-dos.htm http://www.on-time.com/rtkernel-dos.htm