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> It's a desktop OS. If you connect an external monitor, you can use any desktop software, including GIMP. Works fine on my Pinephone with phosh. How is that a

> It's a desktop OS. If you connect an external monitor, you can use any desktop software, including GIMP. Works fine on my Pinephone with phosh. How is that any different than literally any other distro you can boot on a handheld? You're basically confirming my point; nothing especially "convergent" about pureos to see here, no?

fsflover 5y ago
Not sure what you're talking about. Which other phones allow to run unmodified desktop apps?
- mynameisvlad 5y ago
  That’s not what convergence generally means, though. It means the same apps working across devices in their native formats. People aren’t going to connect their phones to a monitor and dock to use GIMP. People might use GIMP on their phones if it were available.
  - fsflover 5y ago
    Using full desktop apps with an external screen is definitely one part of the convergence. Another part, as you say, is a possibility to use desktop apps on the phone screen. There are many already working apps, including desktop Firefox and more: https://forums.puri.sm/t/list-of-apps-that-fit-and-function-well-post-them-here/11361 https://forums.puri.sm/t/list-of-apps-that-fit-and-function-.... Upd: here is GIMP for you: https://social.librem.one/@eliasr/105589789106877911 https://social.librem.one/@eliasr/105589789106877911.
    - m4rtink 5y ago
      There is even the (proprietary) desktop like interface called DeX on Samsung devices - so there is definitely potential.
- pengaru 5y ago
  > Not sure what you're talking about. Which other phones allow to run unmodified desktop apps? I'm not sure what you're talking about. We've had the ability to run unmodified desktop linux apps on handhelds since the bad old FPU-less days of the Sharp Zaurus. That's ancient history, and the whole f!cking promise of "convergence" AIUI is to make those applications usable in touch interfaces while being capable of transitioning seamlessly back into a desktop point-and-click interaction model when you dock the handheld. It's basically just an Android thing to be a linux-based handheld that actively obstructs running conventional desktop linux software. And even in that world you can coax it by adding the missing userspace bits, isn't there an android app that does just that (termux)? https://github.com/termux/x11-packages/issues/144 https://github.com/termux/x11-packages/issues/144 Anyways, this feels like a pathetic strawman discussion at this point, I have better things to do today, cheers.

fsflover 5y ago

Not sure what you're talking about. Which other phones allow to run unmodified desktop apps?

mynameisvlad 5y ago
That’s not what convergence generally means, though. It means the same apps working across devices in their native formats. People aren’t going to connect their phones to a monitor and dock to use GIMP. People might use GIMP on their phones if it were available.
- fsflover 5y ago
  Using full desktop apps with an external screen is definitely one part of the convergence. Another part, as you say, is a possibility to use desktop apps on the phone screen. There are many already working apps, including desktop Firefox and more: https://forums.puri.sm/t/list-of-apps-that-fit-and-function-well-post-them-here/11361 https://forums.puri.sm/t/list-of-apps-that-fit-and-function-.... Upd: here is GIMP for you: https://social.librem.one/@eliasr/105589789106877911 https://social.librem.one/@eliasr/105589789106877911.
  - m4rtink 5y ago
    There is even the (proprietary) desktop like interface called DeX on Samsung devices - so there is definitely potential.
pengaru 5y ago
> Not sure what you're talking about. Which other phones allow to run unmodified desktop apps? I'm not sure what you're talking about. We've had the ability to run unmodified desktop linux apps on handhelds since the bad old FPU-less days of the Sharp Zaurus. That's ancient history, and the whole f!cking promise of "convergence" AIUI is to make those applications usable in touch interfaces while being capable of transitioning seamlessly back into a desktop point-and-click interaction model when you dock the handheld. It's basically just an Android thing to be a linux-based handheld that actively obstructs running conventional desktop linux software. And even in that world you can coax it by adding the missing userspace bits, isn't there an android app that does just that (termux)? https://github.com/termux/x11-packages/issues/144 https://github.com/termux/x11-packages/issues/144 Anyways, this feels like a pathetic strawman discussion at this point, I have better things to do today, cheers.