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Pine64. :)

by megous 5y ago

Pine64. :)

fsflover 5y ago
They're using Purism software mostly.
- megous 5y ago
  I don't think so. Or is KDE now a Purism project? Or is Sailfish? Or sxmo? Or is p-boot? Or Linux kernel when no drivers overlap between the two SoCs? Or is crust? Or modem manager? Or all the work going into modem's kernel and firmware? Or is megapixels a purism project? Or debian/arch linux arm and all the packaging effort done there that many distros with pinephone support rely on? Pinephone software support is so much more than re-using PureOS components. Anyway your question was: > Perhaps you know some other vendor developing and selling phones with a desktop OS and desktop apps? And that doesn't require any PureOS components for full functionality. I run i3wm on my Pinephone for convergence. Easy to dual-boot into i3wm/arch linux or any other mobile distro for use on the go (mobile wayland based DEs have terrible performance with dual monitor use anyway, compared to plain old Xorg, and if anything is less needed is to fluidly swap between desktop and mobile UI, when reboot takes a few seconds anyway). Maybe some people really need that kind of convergence, but dual boot is enough for me. I've made this project to showcase that functionality to people, and to also show that there's not just PureOS/phosh https://xnux.eu/p-boot-demo/ https://xnux.eu/p-boot-demo/ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7GjXQFnMHGY https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7GjXQFnMHGY
  - fsflover 5y ago
    I actually said mostly. More than half users use phosh on their Pinephone AFAIK (including myself). I don't argue that it's all there is to software on the Pinephone. There are definitely many other important pieces. But I don't like how they do not sufficiently acknowledge the Purism contributions IMO. Thank you for the p-boot, it's great and I'm using it myself. However I don't think that volunteer development is sustainable in the long-term and can lead to a usable (daily driver for non-nerds) GNU/Linux phone without commercial contribution.
    - megous 5y ago
      > I don't think that volunteer development is sustainable in the long-terms and can lead to a usable (daily driver for non-nerds) GNU/Linux phone without commercial contribution. That's interesting, but arguing that is not my goal in this discussion. You just asked what other comapny builds phones that can run dekstop OS and apps. Pine64 now has two. And IMO best uscease for that is without any PureOS components, just with straight desktop apps as existed before all this adaptation to smartphone form factor and touch interface. (It's my bias showing here, because I don't like nor use GNOME dekstop environement. Someone who likes GNOME may enjoy that PureOS putting some effort into making it possible to connect to a monitor and seamlessly transition into some convergent environement where their favorite apps will adapt to the current screen size.)
  - seba_dos1 5y ago
    On your list, you have actually mentioned some projects that Purism has worked on, upstreamed patches to or financed development for things that also benefit PinePhone and other environments than GNOME/phosh. I'd add SDL and Wayland as other obvious examples, but there's likely more than what comes to my mind right now :)
    - megous 5y ago
      Hmm. :)

Pine64. :)

by megous 5y ago

Pine64. :)

fsflover 5y ago

They're using Purism software mostly.

megous 5y ago
I don't think so. Or is KDE now a Purism project? Or is Sailfish? Or sxmo? Or is p-boot? Or Linux kernel when no drivers overlap between the two SoCs? Or is crust? Or modem manager? Or all the work going into modem's kernel and firmware? Or is megapixels a purism project? Or debian/arch linux arm and all the packaging effort done there that many distros with pinephone support rely on? Pinephone software support is so much more than re-using PureOS components. Anyway your question was: > Perhaps you know some other vendor developing and selling phones with a desktop OS and desktop apps? And that doesn't require any PureOS components for full functionality. I run i3wm on my Pinephone for convergence. Easy to dual-boot into i3wm/arch linux or any other mobile distro for use on the go (mobile wayland based DEs have terrible performance with dual monitor use anyway, compared to plain old Xorg, and if anything is less needed is to fluidly swap between desktop and mobile UI, when reboot takes a few seconds anyway). Maybe some people really need that kind of convergence, but dual boot is enough for me. I've made this project to showcase that functionality to people, and to also show that there's not just PureOS/phosh https://xnux.eu/p-boot-demo/ https://xnux.eu/p-boot-demo/ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7GjXQFnMHGY https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7GjXQFnMHGY
- fsflover 5y ago
  I actually said mostly. More than half users use phosh on their Pinephone AFAIK (including myself). I don't argue that it's all there is to software on the Pinephone. There are definitely many other important pieces. But I don't like how they do not sufficiently acknowledge the Purism contributions IMO. Thank you for the p-boot, it's great and I'm using it myself. However I don't think that volunteer development is sustainable in the long-term and can lead to a usable (daily driver for non-nerds) GNU/Linux phone without commercial contribution.
  - megous 5y ago
    > I don't think that volunteer development is sustainable in the long-terms and can lead to a usable (daily driver for non-nerds) GNU/Linux phone without commercial contribution. That's interesting, but arguing that is not my goal in this discussion. You just asked what other comapny builds phones that can run dekstop OS and apps. Pine64 now has two. And IMO best uscease for that is without any PureOS components, just with straight desktop apps as existed before all this adaptation to smartphone form factor and touch interface. (It's my bias showing here, because I don't like nor use GNOME dekstop environement. Someone who likes GNOME may enjoy that PureOS putting some effort into making it possible to connect to a monitor and seamlessly transition into some convergent environement where their favorite apps will adapt to the current screen size.)
- seba_dos1 5y ago
  On your list, you have actually mentioned some projects that Purism has worked on, upstreamed patches to or financed development for things that also benefit PinePhone and other environments than GNOME/phosh. I'd add SDL and Wayland as other obvious examples, but there's likely more than what comes to my mind right now :)
  - megous 5y ago
    Hmm. :)