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it's essential for security to the people who complain, we didn't hear you when the US kept (is still is) massively tracking you and let's not talk about all

it's essential for security to the people who complain, we didn't hear you when the US kept (is still is) massively tracking you and let's not talk about all free apps on your favorite smartphone, they track you to death but who cares, nobody should track me for everyone safety! only for everyone's lack of privacy!

jacquesm 5y ago
It actually isn't. What is needed for security is better humint, better sigint only increases the stack of hay that the same number of needles has to hide in. Note that in a very large number of terrorist attacks the knowledge was already available, but it either wasn't acted on, communicated improperly, not given enough urgency or lost because too much time was spent looking at spurious signals. Every time the amount of information available goes up that last factor will grow. Signal vs noise is the main contributor in why 9/11 happened, and the same goes for a lot of other terror attacks as well. But that sort of admission requires a complete review of how this is all practiced, would require an end to the security theater and would cut a whole lot of pork. I'm somewhat skeptical that this will happen. But more security theater moves to appease Joe Public and look tough, of course.
- Shadonototra 5y ago
  > Signal vs noise is the main contributor in why 9/11 happened 9/11 happened because they let it happen Jets would come at you if you flew over cities without permissions Why do we encrypt things in the first place? because lack of trust Maybe let's fix that instead of expecting society should lack "trust" between actors
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  - jacquesm 5y ago
    > 9/11 happened because they let it happen Respectfully, you're nuts.
    - Shadonototra 5y ago
      By "let it happen" i don't mean it was intentional!! don't get me wrong! I am saying they weren't prepared for the fact that such event could happen And this is the same as expecting states to not apply surveillance despite encryptions If we are not prepared, then it can happen And if we don't want to be prepared by choice, then we let that kind of event happen
      - jacquesm 5y ago
        There had already been books and movies with that theme, you can take it to the bank that hi-jacked airliners as an improvised WMD were on the radar at the relevant institutions. The problem was that even if the information was available to them they didn't act on it timely. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/September_11_intelligence_before_the_attacks https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/September_11_intelligence_befo...
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e0a74c 5y ago
> to the people who complain, we didn't hear you when the US kept (is still is) massively tracking you You weren't listening then.

jacquesm 5y ago

It actually isn't. What is needed for security is better humint, better sigint only increases the stack of hay that the same number of needles has to hide in. Note that in a very large number of terrorist attacks the knowledge was already available, but it either wasn't acted on, communicated improperly, not given enough urgency or lost because too much time was spent looking at spurious signals. Every time the amount of information available goes up that last factor will grow. Signal vs noise is the main contributor in why 9/11 happened, and the same goes for a lot of other terror attacks as well. But that sort of admission requires a complete review of how this is all practiced, would require an end to the security theater and would cut a whole lot of pork. I'm somewhat skeptical that this will happen. But more security theater moves to appease Joe Public and look tough, of course.

Shadonototra 5y ago
> Signal vs noise is the main contributor in why 9/11 happened 9/11 happened because they let it happen Jets would come at you if you flew over cities without permissions Why do we encrypt things in the first place? because lack of trust Maybe let's fix that instead of expecting society should lack "trust" between actors
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- jacquesm 5y ago
  > 9/11 happened because they let it happen Respectfully, you're nuts.
  - Shadonototra 5y ago
    By "let it happen" i don't mean it was intentional!! don't get me wrong! I am saying they weren't prepared for the fact that such event could happen And this is the same as expecting states to not apply surveillance despite encryptions If we are not prepared, then it can happen And if we don't want to be prepared by choice, then we let that kind of event happen
    - jacquesm 5y ago
      There had already been books and movies with that theme, you can take it to the bank that hi-jacked airliners as an improvised WMD were on the radar at the relevant institutions. The problem was that even if the information was available to them they didn't act on it timely. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/September_11_intelligence_before_the_attacks https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/September_11_intelligence_befo...

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e0a74c 5y ago

> to the people who complain, we didn't hear you when the US kept (is still is) massively tracking you You weren't listening then.