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In a political environment where one party openly allies with those that seek a white ethnostate[1] and the other sees a compromise solution that normalizes and

In a political environment where one party openly allies with those that seek a white ethnostate[1] and the other sees a compromise solution that normalizes and rationalizes the existence of its opposition[2], the fair and equal application of the law is not just partisan, it is increasingly countercultural. 1. https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/josephbernstein/heres-how-breitbart-and-milo-smuggled-white-nationalism https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/josephbernstein/heres-h... 2. https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2019/12/joe-biden-america-needs-the-republican-party.html https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2019/12/joe-biden-america-ne...

throwaway894345 5y ago
Only a small minority of Americans--including ~80% of black Americans--even accept your framing of the problem. In particular, by all appearances, police shootings aren't unequally distributed by race when we account for even the most obvious relevant factors (e.g., violent crime rates), but your whole framing depends on this. In other words, if this isn't true, then the Republicans and a significant minority (if not majority) of Democrats aren't white nationalists but rather opposed to police reforms which can't work* because the problem is misstated. For more details, see my other comment: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=29308714 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=29308714
- omegaworks 5y ago
  "Framing" is irrelevant to my statement. I provided concrete evidence of the two mainstream political parties doing exactly what I said they were doing. How a particular slogan like "defund the police" polls is not relevant to the impact of moving $193 billion annual local dollars of police funding to better structured, community-centered alternatives. Conflating evidence-based policy goals and research with how people feel about them in the current present moment is classic misdirection.
  - throwaway894345 5y ago
    > I provided concrete evidence of the two mainstream political parties doing exactly what I said they were doing. Your first article (from Buzzfeed of all places) didn't demonstrate a white nationalist agenda, and if you think the second article supports your point (that Biden is content with whatever white nationalism exists within the Republican party) then I'm not sure we read the same article. The article I read clearly depicts Joe Biden's views that America needs two political parties, that American politics should revert back to the more functional pre-Trump years (and presumably before the alleged mainstreaming of white nationalism that you purport), and that Republicans who want to stay Republicans should do so while voting for Biden. None of that seems controversial at all. > How a particular slogan like "defund the police" polls is not relevant to the impact of moving $193 billion annual local dollars of police funding to better structured, community-centered alternatives. You don't think it's a problem that Black Americans overwhelmingly reject policies (as well as rhetoric and ideology) that are purportedly in their interest? > Conflating evidence-based policy goals and research with how people feel about them in the current present moment is classic misdirection. "Defund/abolish the police" policy goals aren't evidence based. If you'd like to retreat to the moderate position that we should increase social services while reforming policing, then welcome to the moderate club.
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    - omegaworks 5y ago
      >"Defund/abolish the police" policy goals aren't evidence based. This is absolutely false. Community groups have been putting together actionable, concrete and evidence-based abolition-centered strategies since the first slave-catchers were paid by the state. Educate yourself. https://www.mpd150.com/ https://www.mpd150.com/

throwaway894345 5y ago

Only a small minority of Americans--including ~80% of black Americans--even accept your framing of the problem. In particular, by all appearances, police shootings aren't unequally distributed by race when we account for even the most obvious relevant factors (e.g., violent crime rates), but your whole framing depends on this. In other words, if this isn't true, then the Republicans and a significant minority (if not majority) of Democrats aren't white nationalists but rather opposed to police reforms which can't work* because the problem is misstated. For more details, see my other comment: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=29308714 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=29308714

omegaworks 5y ago
"Framing" is irrelevant to my statement. I provided concrete evidence of the two mainstream political parties doing exactly what I said they were doing. How a particular slogan like "defund the police" polls is not relevant to the impact of moving $193 billion annual local dollars of police funding to better structured, community-centered alternatives. Conflating evidence-based policy goals and research with how people feel about them in the current present moment is classic misdirection.
- throwaway894345 5y ago
  > I provided concrete evidence of the two mainstream political parties doing exactly what I said they were doing. Your first article (from Buzzfeed of all places) didn't demonstrate a white nationalist agenda, and if you think the second article supports your point (that Biden is content with whatever white nationalism exists within the Republican party) then I'm not sure we read the same article. The article I read clearly depicts Joe Biden's views that America needs two political parties, that American politics should revert back to the more functional pre-Trump years (and presumably before the alleged mainstreaming of white nationalism that you purport), and that Republicans who want to stay Republicans should do so while voting for Biden. None of that seems controversial at all. > How a particular slogan like "defund the police" polls is not relevant to the impact of moving $193 billion annual local dollars of police funding to better structured, community-centered alternatives. You don't think it's a problem that Black Americans overwhelmingly reject policies (as well as rhetoric and ideology) that are purportedly in their interest? > Conflating evidence-based policy goals and research with how people feel about them in the current present moment is classic misdirection. "Defund/abolish the police" policy goals aren't evidence based. If you'd like to retreat to the moderate position that we should increase social services while reforming policing, then welcome to the moderate club.
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  - omegaworks 5y ago
    >"Defund/abolish the police" policy goals aren't evidence based. This is absolutely false. Community groups have been putting together actionable, concrete and evidence-based abolition-centered strategies since the first slave-catchers were paid by the state. Educate yourself. https://www.mpd150.com/ https://www.mpd150.com/