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The other problem with always angry protesters is that the list is endless, so as soon as something gets fixed, the next day there is just another protest for s

by zz865 5y ago

The other problem with always angry protesters is that the list is endless, so as soon as something gets fixed, the next day there is just another protest for something else.

reaperducer 5y ago
I don't know what it's like in other cities, but in Chicago, you can hire protesters. They come in on buses. Back when I was in journalism, it was always annoying for the reporters to pick some random person from the crowd holding signs and ask them about the issue only to find out that they didn't even know what the protest was about, and were just there to get a check. Protesters-as-a-Service, I guess.
mikepurvis 5y ago
In fairness to climate protestors/activists, which developed nation has really taken any significant strides in the past 10-20 years? I think there's some valid frustration when lip service is paid and then all that comes of it is some token stuff like boutique tax credits for EVs and residential solar installs, but the money trunks get rolled right out when it's the financial crisis, major wars, COVID response, etc. I'm not saying those aren't valid things to have mobilized for, but it's clear that western society as a whole still thinks of climate solutions as catering to a special interest group rather than as something that is a priority. And maybe that's fine if it's reflective of public sentiment. But the perception of never-ending angry protestors is not just because they're unsatisfiable. It's also because very little has actually happened.
- trutannus 5y ago
  > which developed nation has really taken any significant strides in the past 10-20 years? Iceland runs mostly on renewable energy: https://reneweconomy.com.au/iceland-a-100-renewables-example-in-the-modern-era-56428/#:~:text=Iceland%20today%20generates%20100%25%20of,an%20extensive%20district%20heating%20system https://reneweconomy.com.au/iceland-a-100-renewables-example....
- bryanlarsen 5y ago
  The projected warming has shifted from 5 degrees to 2.6 degrees. So obviously quite a bit has been done. For example Britain is down 50% from 1990 levels. It's not enough, but to say "very little has actually happened" is disingenuous. IMO, the biggest thing that has been done is that renewable power and EV transportation have now become cost competitive. Both of those, especially the first, required a lot of government subsidization to get volumes up so that the learning effect could take effect.5
- zz865 5y ago
  > In fairness to climate protestors/activists, which developed nation has really taken any significant strides in the past 10-20 years? Europe and USA have both actively reduced emissions. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paris_Agreement#/media/File:Per_Capita_CO2_by_Region.svg https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paris_Agreement#/media/File:Pe...

by zz865 5y ago

The other problem with always angry protesters is that the list is endless, so as soon as something gets fixed, the next day there is just another protest for something else.

reaperducer 5y ago

I don't know what it's like in other cities, but in Chicago, you can hire protesters. They come in on buses. Back when I was in journalism, it was always annoying for the reporters to pick some random person from the crowd holding signs and ask them about the issue only to find out that they didn't even know what the protest was about, and were just there to get a check. Protesters-as-a-Service, I guess.

mikepurvis 5y ago

In fairness to climate protestors/activists, which developed nation has really taken any significant strides in the past 10-20 years? I think there's some valid frustration when lip service is paid and then all that comes of it is some token stuff like boutique tax credits for EVs and residential solar installs, but the money trunks get rolled right out when it's the financial crisis, major wars, COVID response, etc. I'm not saying those aren't valid things to have mobilized for, but it's clear that western society as a whole still thinks of climate solutions as catering to a special interest group rather than as something that is a priority. And maybe that's fine if it's reflective of public sentiment. But the perception of never-ending angry protestors is not just because they're unsatisfiable. It's also because very little has actually happened.

trutannus 5y ago
> which developed nation has really taken any significant strides in the past 10-20 years? Iceland runs mostly on renewable energy: https://reneweconomy.com.au/iceland-a-100-renewables-example-in-the-modern-era-56428/#:~:text=Iceland%20today%20generates%20100%25%20of,an%20extensive%20district%20heating%20system https://reneweconomy.com.au/iceland-a-100-renewables-example....
bryanlarsen 5y ago
The projected warming has shifted from 5 degrees to 2.6 degrees. So obviously quite a bit has been done. For example Britain is down 50% from 1990 levels. It's not enough, but to say "very little has actually happened" is disingenuous. IMO, the biggest thing that has been done is that renewable power and EV transportation have now become cost competitive. Both of those, especially the first, required a lot of government subsidization to get volumes up so that the learning effect could take effect.5
zz865 5y ago
> In fairness to climate protestors/activists, which developed nation has really taken any significant strides in the past 10-20 years? Europe and USA have both actively reduced emissions. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paris_Agreement#/media/File:Per_Capita_CO2_by_Region.svg https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paris_Agreement#/media/File:Pe...