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What’s your point? Of course it’s impossible to reduce our footprints to absolute zero, but that doesn’t mean that we shouldn’t reduce them. And that there are

by Ma8ee 5y ago

What’s your point? Of course it’s impossible to reduce our footprints to absolute zero, but that doesn’t mean that we shouldn’t reduce them. And that there are certain situations where it’s it hard to make correct judgements doesn’t mean that most aren’t quite easy. We can’t afford flying over half the world just for pleasure and entertainment. We can’t eat steak or hamburgers every day. And maybe the easiest way to do as little damage as possible is to not spend so much money, even when you have them.

robocat 5y ago
The article is saying that the obvious idea of planting some trees is not the panacea that one might naively think it is. As a consumer, it is hard to even know where to start on that. I was responding to your point “But we need to stop releasing greenhouse gases now”. i agree. Any links to well thought out resources that actually properly estimate the greenhouse gas impact of my choices? I would expect international holidays and buying petrol to be obvious poor choices, but I really struggle to guess what are true low impact choices, because there is so much misinformation out there and everything has an impact. > And maybe the easiest way to do as little damage as possible is to not spend so much money So you invest it instead, and those investments create CO2. Perhaps the right way is to actively put money into CO2 reduction investments - but even that is difficult due to greenwashing misdirection. Is an investment in a tree planting a net benefit? The article says don’t be so sure. An investment in Nikola would have surely been a serious mistake for the environment. It is not clear that Tesla is currently a net benefit to the planet.
- Ma8ee 5y ago
  You are putting in much more effort in finding excuses to not having to do your part than trying to learn what you need to do. Most things aren’t particularly complicated. The possibility of sometimes making mistakes is no excuse for inaction.
  - robocat 5y ago
    Please don’t assume what I do or don’t do - I think that most people would find that rude. I am asking the questions because it is a minefield of misinformation, and you seem to have some strong opinions about it: maybe I can learn something from you. I see a lot of virtue signalling: doing the recycling, avoiding plastic bags, and perhaps getting an electric car. AFAIK all three of those can easily be worse for the environment, depending on exact behaviour and context. The article is surprising, but it won’t stop me planting trees. Anyways, I hope you enjoy your day/night, wherever you happen to be.
    - Ma8ee 5y ago
      I don’t assume, I draw conclusions from the way you argue. We are way past the point where I care if I’m rude or not. The house is on fire, and you stand by the side arguing whether it would be better to get the water from the stream or from the well. And I shout “just get some fucking water” and you answer “mind your language!”. You really haven’t understood the gravity of the situation. One day you are going to look up over the ashes and wonder where our house went.

by Ma8ee 5y ago

robocat 5y ago

The article is saying that the obvious idea of planting some trees is not the panacea that one might naively think it is. As a consumer, it is hard to even know where to start on that. I was responding to your point “But we need to stop releasing greenhouse gases now”. i agree. Any links to well thought out resources that actually properly estimate the greenhouse gas impact of my choices? I would expect international holidays and buying petrol to be obvious poor choices, but I really struggle to guess what are true low impact choices, because there is so much misinformation out there and everything has an impact. > And maybe the easiest way to do as little damage as possible is to not spend so much money So you invest it instead, and those investments create CO2. Perhaps the right way is to actively put money into CO2 reduction investments - but even that is difficult due to greenwashing misdirection. Is an investment in a tree planting a net benefit? The article says don’t be so sure. An investment in Nikola would have surely been a serious mistake for the environment. It is not clear that Tesla is currently a net benefit to the planet.

Ma8ee 5y ago
You are putting in much more effort in finding excuses to not having to do your part than trying to learn what you need to do. Most things aren’t particularly complicated. The possibility of sometimes making mistakes is no excuse for inaction.
- robocat 5y ago
  Please don’t assume what I do or don’t do - I think that most people would find that rude. I am asking the questions because it is a minefield of misinformation, and you seem to have some strong opinions about it: maybe I can learn something from you. I see a lot of virtue signalling: doing the recycling, avoiding plastic bags, and perhaps getting an electric car. AFAIK all three of those can easily be worse for the environment, depending on exact behaviour and context. The article is surprising, but it won’t stop me planting trees. Anyways, I hope you enjoy your day/night, wherever you happen to be.
  - Ma8ee 5y ago
    I don’t assume, I draw conclusions from the way you argue. We are way past the point where I care if I’m rude or not. The house is on fire, and you stand by the side arguing whether it would be better to get the water from the stream or from the well. And I shout “just get some fucking water” and you answer “mind your language!”. You really haven’t understood the gravity of the situation. One day you are going to look up over the ashes and wonder where our house went.