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It's actually the opposite. In a repeat of what happened previously in the NPM community, people are asking for the CoC to actually be enforced _because of_ id

It's actually the opposite. In a repeat of what happened previously in the NPM community, people are asking for the CoC to actually be enforced _because of_ identity politics, rather than associating CoCs with identity politics. Going around saying things like "Kill all men" is just about as obvious as a CoC violation can get. Additionally, having members of the same governance body that are romantically involved probably isn't very effective strategically.

Jensson 5y ago
"The core team refused to kick out a misandrist member" would lead to a lot of drama if they said it publicly. If that is why they are quitting then it makes sense that they refused to say anything about it.
- zozbot234 5y ago
  It's not like she would be the first or the only team member with rather controversial political views. As long as these views don't meaningfully impact her work on Rust, why shouldn't she be on the team? Why can't we just learn to be more tolerant of dissenting views?
  - busterarm 5y ago
    Well, then there's the other accusation: that she applied for a job at Amazon and was rejected and since then her partner, also a part of the core team, has been publicly negative about the relationship between Rust and Amazon (https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=28513130 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=28513130) There would seem to be a massive conflict of interest there, if true.
  - Jensson 5y ago
    I didn't said that she should get expelled, however since the moderation team cannot do their job to enforce the CoC when such blatant violations goes unpunished it makes sense for them to disband the moderation team. Why have a moderation team if it is just for show?
  - busterarm 5y ago
    Also...from the first line of Rust's CoC: We are committed to providing a friendly, safe and welcoming environment for all, regardless of level of experience, gender identity and expression, sexual orientation, disability, personal appearance, body size, race, ethnicity, age, religion, nationality, or other similar characteristic. And the first line from the Moderation section of that same document: Remarks that violate the Rust standards of conduct, including hateful, hurtful, oppressive, or exclusionary remarks, are not allowed. It's not just that it's a controversial political view -- it's a clear violation of the first rule of participating in the community. It's rules for thee but not for me. If you're a man, I don't see how it would be possible to feel safe or welcome in _any_ association with the Rust community when a prominent Core team member is advocating for you to be killed. It's like saying that Hitler's position on Jews is just a controversial political view.
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    - throwawaymcxv 5y ago
      > If you're a man, I don't see how it would be possible to feel safe or welcome in _any_ association with the Rust community when a prominent Core team member is advocating for you to be killed. Being a man I don't see how anyone would feel unsafe by a prominent Core team member advocating for all men to be killed.
  - bigwavedave 5y ago
    > It's not like she would be the first or the only team member with rather controversial political views. As long as these views don't meaningfully impact her work on Rust, why shouldn't she be on the team? Why can't we just learn to be more tolerant of dissenting views? The link goes into detail about her effect on wasm-pack, the official Rust wasm project. Her personal views and behavior at npm aside, this alone should be enough to remove her from being part of Rust in any official capacity. I guess being in a relationship with Steve Klabnik has its benefits.
- flippinburgers 5y ago
  https://archive.fo/f10KK https://archive.fo/f10KK I guess the speculation is around whether or not she is the core member that might be causing friction with the coc.

Jensson 5y ago

"The core team refused to kick out a misandrist member" would lead to a lot of drama if they said it publicly. If that is why they are quitting then it makes sense that they refused to say anything about it.

zozbot234 5y ago
It's not like she would be the first or the only team member with rather controversial political views. As long as these views don't meaningfully impact her work on Rust, why shouldn't she be on the team? Why can't we just learn to be more tolerant of dissenting views?
- busterarm 5y ago
  Well, then there's the other accusation: that she applied for a job at Amazon and was rejected and since then her partner, also a part of the core team, has been publicly negative about the relationship between Rust and Amazon (https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=28513130 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=28513130) There would seem to be a massive conflict of interest there, if true.
- Jensson 5y ago
  I didn't said that she should get expelled, however since the moderation team cannot do their job to enforce the CoC when such blatant violations goes unpunished it makes sense for them to disband the moderation team. Why have a moderation team if it is just for show?
- busterarm 5y ago
  Also...from the first line of Rust's CoC: We are committed to providing a friendly, safe and welcoming environment for all, regardless of level of experience, gender identity and expression, sexual orientation, disability, personal appearance, body size, race, ethnicity, age, religion, nationality, or other similar characteristic. And the first line from the Moderation section of that same document: Remarks that violate the Rust standards of conduct, including hateful, hurtful, oppressive, or exclusionary remarks, are not allowed. It's not just that it's a controversial political view -- it's a clear violation of the first rule of participating in the community. It's rules for thee but not for me. If you're a man, I don't see how it would be possible to feel safe or welcome in _any_ association with the Rust community when a prominent Core team member is advocating for you to be killed. It's like saying that Hitler's position on Jews is just a controversial political view.
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  - throwawaymcxv 5y ago
    > If you're a man, I don't see how it would be possible to feel safe or welcome in _any_ association with the Rust community when a prominent Core team member is advocating for you to be killed. Being a man I don't see how anyone would feel unsafe by a prominent Core team member advocating for all men to be killed.
- bigwavedave 5y ago
  > It's not like she would be the first or the only team member with rather controversial political views. As long as these views don't meaningfully impact her work on Rust, why shouldn't she be on the team? Why can't we just learn to be more tolerant of dissenting views? The link goes into detail about her effect on wasm-pack, the official Rust wasm project. Her personal views and behavior at npm aside, this alone should be enough to remove her from being part of Rust in any official capacity. I guess being in a relationship with Steve Klabnik has its benefits.
flippinburgers 5y ago
https://archive.fo/f10KK https://archive.fo/f10KK I guess the speculation is around whether or not she is the core member that might be causing friction with the coc.