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Agree with your overall post entirely, the thing about physical attacks is they don't scale well. If you're subject to an actual individual threat, it's a whole
by xoa 5y ago
Agree with your overall post entirely, the thing about physical attacks is they don't scale well. If you're subject to an actual individual threat, it's a whole different and enormously scarier/more challenging threat scenario.
>Think this is still overestimating the threat. It's kinda like saying you can hack someone's password by watching video of them typing. True, but also non-trivial.
Isn't that genuinely getting pretty trivial in public though? And in turn I think that is a real argument for biometrics too. The amount of over-the-shoulder camera surveillance in business and urban areas is pretty scary at this point, as are the concealability and cheapness of even very tiny spy cams. There have been plenty of scandals around it even in things like AirBNBs or hotels, historically from the context of sex, but not a stretch to imagine that passwords could be a much bigger and more lucrative target. And ML/AI is getting ever more sophisticated, and humans entering PINs/passwords is pretty repetitive behavior with a high degree of uniformity in how it's done, at least the device-unlock level. Seems very amenable to highly reliable automated analysis, to the extent I'd be genuinely surprised if that's not secretly deployed already in surveillance states.
I don't enter PINs/passwords in public anymore if I can possibly help it. It just seems scalable in a way that physical attacks aren't.
- scottLobster 5y agoI'm no guru but the only widespread use of spy cameras for password theft I've heard of is false covers on ATMs to catch PIN codes, which makes sense as an ATM eliminates a lot of variables. (angle camera needs to be at, number/size/position of keys on keyboard, required resolution/range, increased number of victims, etc). In the wild I imagine it's one of those things that's simple in concept but difficult in execution due to all the edge cases. Even if you get 80% of a password, if you're not at the perfect angle to catch those last few key-strokes you haven't accomplished much.