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Yeah if you're starting as a blank slate. I remember on UpWork that's where I did my first few things, I had to apply to so many places because I had nothing...

Yeah if you're starting as a blank slate. I remember on UpWork that's where I did my first few things, I had to apply to so many places because I had nothing... jobs on Indeed couldn't get in... Once you have something on your resume it's easier but jobs that say "BS in CS or some thing" I don't apply unless it says "experience in tech" that I'm looking into/have experience. But yeah I was trying to get hired since 2016 and it wasn't till 2018 I got a full time gig. In between this time I had to pick up a job like washing plates/factory because I had no money. I don't know if it's easier if you come from say a bootcamp or have a plan like the developer roadmap but yeah. That was my experience. Most of my background before this was some kind of labor work or the data entry. I almost got hired for a PHP role in 2016 but didn't get it because I didn't have a car. The test I took was written ha, like "how would you make a query for grouping music". This guy taught me a lot about PHP from PHPFreaks, would chat with him on Skype. Also as a side note, I did some PC tech work like removing viruses but I never had the interest to program. I had to take C++ as a course and I didn't really enjoy it at the time/same with Java, I was in Eng/Phys degree at the time. Most I used a computer for was like playing Runescape. I picked up web development because I read about high traffic websites that would make a lot of money from ads, that didn't happen but I learned how to make websites. At this point I was on my way out of college/was failing out. Also it wasn't till 2015 I figured out what GitHub was/how to put my code on there.

ramtatatam 5y ago
Shame on me, but when I was a kid I always wanted to write viruses :] Ah childhood, it should happen at least twice in a lifetime :) I do agree it probably was much easier for me because I did not have next rent that I had to pay, my living costs were very low and if it came to the worst I had people who would give me their couch for a few weeks.. Now with family and kids I think maybe my comment was too optimistic.
- jcun4128 5y ago
  Yeah I'm not saying my experience is everyone's. You should read on the subreddit CSCareers ha people saying "I applied to hundreds of jobs got nothing". I do wish I knew about CS when I was going into school, I didn't really plan my school and yeah just failed out (this is a personal discipline problem). Thankfully even without a degree I can get work in this field... I know I would not see myself working on something (qualified) like Tesla autopilot or whatever (for one I'm not good at math). But there is a lot of random things you can do out there... for money or personal joy (what I'm after eventually). Anyway yeah time is the main thing, I feel lucky in this case not to have a family/have time. Viruses are cool, I don't know I never got the itch to do that kind of work like pen testing. It's pretty crazy the abstract ways to get you to load some executable say in a macros.

ramtatatam 5y ago

Shame on me, but when I was a kid I always wanted to write viruses :] Ah childhood, it should happen at least twice in a lifetime :) I do agree it probably was much easier for me because I did not have next rent that I had to pay, my living costs were very low and if it came to the worst I had people who would give me their couch for a few weeks.. Now with family and kids I think maybe my comment was too optimistic.

jcun4128 5y ago
Yeah I'm not saying my experience is everyone's. You should read on the subreddit CSCareers ha people saying "I applied to hundreds of jobs got nothing". I do wish I knew about CS when I was going into school, I didn't really plan my school and yeah just failed out (this is a personal discipline problem). Thankfully even without a degree I can get work in this field... I know I would not see myself working on something (qualified) like Tesla autopilot or whatever (for one I'm not good at math). But there is a lot of random things you can do out there... for money or personal joy (what I'm after eventually). Anyway yeah time is the main thing, I feel lucky in this case not to have a family/have time. Viruses are cool, I don't know I never got the itch to do that kind of work like pen testing. It's pretty crazy the abstract ways to get you to load some executable say in a macros.