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I wonder if it's related to this: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=28513130 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=28513130

by nikivi 5y ago

alexarnesen 5y ago
The author of that piece is on the core team. https://www.rust-lang.org/governance/teams/core https://www.rust-lang.org/governance/teams/core
- OJFord 5y ago
  That confused me at first, so just to elaborate for anyone else - the moderation team is stepping down, having grievances including an unaccountable core team. Steve Klabnik is on the latter, not the former, so not resigning. So unless GP is suggesting that the moderation team felt SK's post airing grievances with Amazon was against CoC/whatever standards they expected of him, not related. (Edit: oh, perhaps tangentially related after all. See codys' comment https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=29307113 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=29307113)
  - rocqua 5y ago
    I can imagine friction over this piece causing conflict between members of the core team. It could also be that Amazon tried to respond to SK's piece in ways that were against the CoC.
codys 5y ago
Alternately, there's this: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=28515306 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=28515306
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- jturpin 5y ago
  I love Rust the language, and the community is generally good, but for whatever reason modern identity politics has always been looming around its key members. Maybe just because it spun out of Mozilla and the Brendan Eich debacle, who knows.
  - foldr 5y ago
    I'm not seeing any connection between the linked discussions and identity politics, and I'm certainly not seeing any connection with Brendan Eich. Hopefully not every thread that involves reference to a CoC has to automatically turn in to a grievance bin for people who have a bone to pick with identity politics.
    - rocqua 5y ago
      The second link in this thread (https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=28515306 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=28515306) includes multiple alleged statements that are about identity politics. One example being: "saying incredibly horrible sexist and racist things such as 'kill all men', and actively trying to prevent white men from speaking at tech conferences" Which seems to be connected to identity politics.
      - foldr 5y ago
        This seems to be a case of one person who's said some things that pretty much everyone would regard as inappropriate and potentially offensive (probably regardless of where they stand on CoCs or their views regarding identity politics). I see no evidence of a connection between this person and the resignation of the Rust Moderation Team. I'd also add that making white men feel unwelcome in an open source software project is very hard work. I am a white man, and would not for a moment feel uncomfortable about trying to contribute to node or Rust because of the indelicate mode of expression of this one individual.
        Jensson 5y ago
        If the core team took her side even though she said those inappropriate and offensive things then it makes sense that the Rust Moderation team felt that they couldn't do their job and resigned because of it. Note that she is a part of the core team.
kristoff_it 5y ago
How does the opinion expressed in that tweet map to a violation of the CoC? I personally don't see it, but I'm asking genuinely.
- jamincan 5y ago
  I don't think it does; it's just one of the recent bits of drama within the Rust Team that has leaked out to the public, so people naturally wonder if they are connected somehow. At this point in time, everything in here is just idle speculation at best.

I wonder if it's related to this: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=28513130 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=28513130

by nikivi 5y ago

I wonder if it's related to this: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=28513130 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=28513130

alexarnesen 5y ago

The author of that piece is on the core team. https://www.rust-lang.org/governance/teams/core https://www.rust-lang.org/governance/teams/core

OJFord 5y ago
That confused me at first, so just to elaborate for anyone else - the moderation team is stepping down, having grievances including an unaccountable core team. Steve Klabnik is on the latter, not the former, so not resigning. So unless GP is suggesting that the moderation team felt SK's post airing grievances with Amazon was against CoC/whatever standards they expected of him, not related. (Edit: oh, perhaps tangentially related after all. See codys' comment https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=29307113 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=29307113)
- rocqua 5y ago
  I can imagine friction over this piece causing conflict between members of the core team. It could also be that Amazon tried to respond to SK's piece in ways that were against the CoC.

codys 5y ago

Alternately, there's this: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=28515306 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=28515306

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jturpin 5y ago
I love Rust the language, and the community is generally good, but for whatever reason modern identity politics has always been looming around its key members. Maybe just because it spun out of Mozilla and the Brendan Eich debacle, who knows.
- foldr 5y ago
  I'm not seeing any connection between the linked discussions and identity politics, and I'm certainly not seeing any connection with Brendan Eich. Hopefully not every thread that involves reference to a CoC has to automatically turn in to a grievance bin for people who have a bone to pick with identity politics.
  - rocqua 5y ago
    The second link in this thread (https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=28515306 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=28515306) includes multiple alleged statements that are about identity politics. One example being: "saying incredibly horrible sexist and racist things such as 'kill all men', and actively trying to prevent white men from speaking at tech conferences" Which seems to be connected to identity politics.
    - foldr 5y ago
      This seems to be a case of one person who's said some things that pretty much everyone would regard as inappropriate and potentially offensive (probably regardless of where they stand on CoCs or their views regarding identity politics). I see no evidence of a connection between this person and the resignation of the Rust Moderation Team. I'd also add that making white men feel unwelcome in an open source software project is very hard work. I am a white man, and would not for a moment feel uncomfortable about trying to contribute to node or Rust because of the indelicate mode of expression of this one individual.
      - Jensson 5y ago
        If the core team took her side even though she said those inappropriate and offensive things then it makes sense that the Rust Moderation team felt that they couldn't do their job and resigned because of it. Note that she is a part of the core team.

kristoff_it 5y ago

How does the opinion expressed in that tweet map to a violation of the CoC? I personally don't see it, but I'm asking genuinely.

jamincan 5y ago
I don't think it does; it's just one of the recent bits of drama within the Rust Team that has leaked out to the public, so people naturally wonder if they are connected somehow. At this point in time, everything in here is just idle speculation at best.