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And they distributed it with the Datenschleuder. Cannot remember the issue, but I have it still somewhere at home. It is like a highly distributed backup of th

And they distributed it with the Datenschleuder. Cannot remember the issue, but I have it still somewhere at home. It is like a highly distributed backup of that fingerprint.

landemva 5y ago
State driver license in USA is a honey pot of thumb/finger scans. Anyone on HN think the NSA doesn't have access? NSA info sharing with trusted foreign countries makes a reliable distributed backup for use by foreign spooks.
- nanidin 5y ago
  > State driver license in USA In which states? The only thing I have been fingerprinted for is in the US is The Global Entry program.
  - reaperducer 5y ago
    More and more states require fingerprints for driver licenses because of the RealID program. Eventually (soonish) you won't be able to use your driver license to fly without it being RealID compliant. One state I lived in gave me the option of not having a RealID-compliant license if I wanted to. Another didn't, so fingerprints were compulsory.
    - fragmede 5y ago
      heads up that the RealID deadline got pushed back to May 3, 2023
    - nanidin 5y ago
      As far as I can tell, Real ID does not require fingerprints, only digital color images of the face[0]. [0] https://www.biometricupdate.com/202101/real-id-law-quietly-passes-with-a-possible-win-for-government-watchdogs https://www.biometricupdate.com/202101/real-id-law-quietly-p...
    - astura 5y ago
      No, Real ID doesn't require fingerprints, my state issues Real IDs (I have one) and they don't fingerprint anyone.
  - dylan604 5y ago
    I've only had a state issued driver's license in CA and TX, and both require thumb prints. But I'm sure if you were truly interested, you could search the web for that information fairly quickly, actually probably faster than it took to post the question to HN: https://duckduckgo.com/?q=which+states+require+thumb+print+for+ID&t=h_&ia=web https://duckduckgo.com/?q=which+states+require+thumb+print+f...
    - nanidin 5y ago
      My intent wasn't to find out which states require prints, it was to drive conversation in order to refute the claim that state driver licenses are honeypots for fingerprints. Fingerprints are not required as a part of Real ID implementation. Real ID seems like it would be the main driver for feature parity between licenses of different states. If fingerprints aren't required by Real ID, then it seems like it would be incorrect to assume that all states require fingerprints - and thus also incorrect to assume that driver licenses in the USA are used as honeypots for fingerprints. Perhaps landemva should have specified which states are using driver licenses as honeypots for collecting fingerprints?
      - JohnFen 5y ago
        Particularly since it's only being done in four states. That explains why I'd never heard of the practice.
        landemva 5y ago
        It appears JohnFen partially geolocated me! A few years ago I had top tier frequent flier status, and the airline kept offering to pay the Global Entry fee for me. Sit for a lame interview and provide a bunch of info to power-starved snooping Karens? No thanks.
  - fragmede 5y ago
    If your argument is that the NSA doesn't have your fingerprint because only the Global Entry Program has your fingerprint, I find that highly suspect. Of all the databases to be shared with the CIA and the NSA, Global Entry seems entirely reasonable that they be given access. Unlike state's driver license database where it's objectionable that the NSA be allowed to access it, Global Entry has to do with people coming in and out of the country and so seems entirely reasonable the NSA would have access, never mind the fine print no one reads when signing up for the program. I wouldn't be surprised if any of the three programs (Global Entry, TSA Pre, Clear) have it in their fine print that the CIA is legally given access to that database.
    - nanidin 5y ago
      My response did not intend to address the NSA, it was intended to address the "state driver license in USA is a honey pot" since in my experience states do not collect fingerprints for driver licenses. Based on some cursory research there are only a small handful of states that require fingerprints, and fingerprints are not required for implementation of Real ID.
  - twobitshifter 5y ago
    State law enforcement fingerprinted me as a child around 11 years old.
    - jschwartzi 5y ago
      In my state prospective teachers are fingerprinted and their prints are run through the FBI database when applying for the certification. My prints are in that database.
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And they distributed it with the Datenschleuder. Cannot remember the issue, but I have it still somewhere at home. It is like a highly distributed backup of that fingerprint.

landemva 5y ago

State driver license in USA is a honey pot of thumb/finger scans. Anyone on HN think the NSA doesn't have access? NSA info sharing with trusted foreign countries makes a reliable distributed backup for use by foreign spooks.

nanidin 5y ago
> State driver license in USA In which states? The only thing I have been fingerprinted for is in the US is The Global Entry program.
- reaperducer 5y ago
  More and more states require fingerprints for driver licenses because of the RealID program. Eventually (soonish) you won't be able to use your driver license to fly without it being RealID compliant. One state I lived in gave me the option of not having a RealID-compliant license if I wanted to. Another didn't, so fingerprints were compulsory.
  - fragmede 5y ago
    heads up that the RealID deadline got pushed back to May 3, 2023
  - nanidin 5y ago
    As far as I can tell, Real ID does not require fingerprints, only digital color images of the face[0]. [0] https://www.biometricupdate.com/202101/real-id-law-quietly-passes-with-a-possible-win-for-government-watchdogs https://www.biometricupdate.com/202101/real-id-law-quietly-p...
  - astura 5y ago
    No, Real ID doesn't require fingerprints, my state issues Real IDs (I have one) and they don't fingerprint anyone.
- dylan604 5y ago
  I've only had a state issued driver's license in CA and TX, and both require thumb prints. But I'm sure if you were truly interested, you could search the web for that information fairly quickly, actually probably faster than it took to post the question to HN: https://duckduckgo.com/?q=which+states+require+thumb+print+for+ID&t=h_&ia=web https://duckduckgo.com/?q=which+states+require+thumb+print+f...
  - nanidin 5y ago
    My intent wasn't to find out which states require prints, it was to drive conversation in order to refute the claim that state driver licenses are honeypots for fingerprints. Fingerprints are not required as a part of Real ID implementation. Real ID seems like it would be the main driver for feature parity between licenses of different states. If fingerprints aren't required by Real ID, then it seems like it would be incorrect to assume that all states require fingerprints - and thus also incorrect to assume that driver licenses in the USA are used as honeypots for fingerprints. Perhaps landemva should have specified which states are using driver licenses as honeypots for collecting fingerprints?
    - JohnFen 5y ago
      Particularly since it's only being done in four states. That explains why I'd never heard of the practice.
      - landemva 5y ago
        It appears JohnFen partially geolocated me! A few years ago I had top tier frequent flier status, and the airline kept offering to pay the Global Entry fee for me. Sit for a lame interview and provide a bunch of info to power-starved snooping Karens? No thanks.
- fragmede 5y ago
  If your argument is that the NSA doesn't have your fingerprint because only the Global Entry Program has your fingerprint, I find that highly suspect. Of all the databases to be shared with the CIA and the NSA, Global Entry seems entirely reasonable that they be given access. Unlike state's driver license database where it's objectionable that the NSA be allowed to access it, Global Entry has to do with people coming in and out of the country and so seems entirely reasonable the NSA would have access, never mind the fine print no one reads when signing up for the program. I wouldn't be surprised if any of the three programs (Global Entry, TSA Pre, Clear) have it in their fine print that the CIA is legally given access to that database.
  - nanidin 5y ago
    My response did not intend to address the NSA, it was intended to address the "state driver license in USA is a honey pot" since in my experience states do not collect fingerprints for driver licenses. Based on some cursory research there are only a small handful of states that require fingerprints, and fingerprints are not required for implementation of Real ID.
- twobitshifter 5y ago
  State law enforcement fingerprinted me as a child around 11 years old.
  - jschwartzi 5y ago
    In my state prospective teachers are fingerprinted and their prints are run through the FBI database when applying for the certification. My prints are in that database.
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