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>Induced demand is nonsense. It's been shown to be real in studies upon studies - what are you trying to say here?

• bluGill 5y ago
  Sure it has been shown: because people have places they would like to get to that the city is making too difficult for them. It clearly exists, it is just a stupid excuse.
  • knorker 5y ago
    Adding lanes has been shown (as you agree) to not help the people who want to use the road, as is just induces more demand. So how is it an excuse? If spending billions on new lanes doesn't actually help anyone, that's just government waste.
    • bluGill 5y ago
      > Adding lanes has been shown (as you agree) to not help the people who want to use the road, as is just induces more demand. Only when you don't add enough lanes. It hurts some people who are already using the existing lanes, but it helps other people who previously found the trip so painful they didn't take make it at all, but now the level of pain is low enough that they make it. Focusing only on those who are already using the road isn't the answer, we need to focus on everyone.
      • emodendroket 5y ago
        I think the point here is it's not practical to build enough lanes to ever saturate demand someplace like LA, so it would make sense to build other options besides driving your car everywhere (and then make these options more attractive than driving). These will of course induce demand of their own, but it's easier to meet just because each person traveling in his own car is one of the least space-efficient means of getting around imaginable. That's not necessarily a big deal in the middle of the day, but at rush hour, with countless people heading in the same direction, it doesn't necessarily make sense to keep doubling down on the same strategy over and over.