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Induced demand is not nonsense at all. I don't have a car. If there were capacity to drive, I would. If a bunch of capacity to drive was added, I'd buy a car.

Induced demand is not nonsense at all. I don't have a car. If there were capacity to drive, I would. If a bunch of capacity to drive was added, I'd buy a car. So that's one data point. > If more people drive it indicates that your city isn't filling its purpose as being a place where there are a lot of things to do. This sounds like an argument from someone who's never heard any alternative to American status quo. > Cities need to figure out how to get ahead of induced demand Wait, you said it's nonsense? I'm starting to think you're misunderstanding me. Induced demand is not an excuse, it's an antipattern no be avoided, and it's not irreversible. It's about how adding lanes to a road doesn't help traffic (see Katy, Texas). Or the I101. Adding a lane, or improving the Caltrain? Clearly the latter will improve 101 traffic more.

bluGill 5y ago
At no point did I say what the solution was. You incorrectly assumed I'm advocating more lanes of traffic, that is one possible solution - if you do it be prepared to go up (or down), as you will need many layers of layers over layers (bridges) that way. There are many other possible solutions though. It didn't work in Katy Texas because they didn't build enough. Improving transit would be my preferred option. The point is if adding a lane of anything doesn't solve your traffic problem (or makes it worse) then you are not thinking big enough.
- knorker 5y ago
  You did say "Induced demand is nonsense". And it's not. > It didn't work in Katy Texas because they didn't build enough. The Katy Freeway is literally the widest highway in the world. The biggest in the world. Adding lanes doesn't help. This is not controversial. > Improving transit would be my preferred option. There are many solutions, and you don't have to pick just one. Better transit. Dedicated bus lanes. Mixed zoning (so much this). Separate bike lanes. Etc.. etc.. It's not that we should force people to use the bus. It's that if you're stuck in traffic and had a magic wand that could turn 30 cars into one bus, would you use it? Well, clearly yes. Many times. Ok, so now that this driver agrees that they want other people to use the bus, it's just a matter of making the bus experience better, so that they do. But yes, that falls under (as you say) "improving transit". But there's more. Anyway, "Not Just Bikes" says this so much better than I could.

bluGill 5y ago

At no point did I say what the solution was. You incorrectly assumed I'm advocating more lanes of traffic, that is one possible solution - if you do it be prepared to go up (or down), as you will need many layers of layers over layers (bridges) that way. There are many other possible solutions though. It didn't work in Katy Texas because they didn't build enough. Improving transit would be my preferred option. The point is if adding a lane of anything doesn't solve your traffic problem (or makes it worse) then you are not thinking big enough.

knorker 5y ago
You did say "Induced demand is nonsense". And it's not. > It didn't work in Katy Texas because they didn't build enough. The Katy Freeway is literally the widest highway in the world. The biggest in the world. Adding lanes doesn't help. This is not controversial. > Improving transit would be my preferred option. There are many solutions, and you don't have to pick just one. Better transit. Dedicated bus lanes. Mixed zoning (so much this). Separate bike lanes. Etc.. etc.. It's not that we should force people to use the bus. It's that if you're stuck in traffic and had a magic wand that could turn 30 cars into one bus, would you use it? Well, clearly yes. Many times. Ok, so now that this driver agrees that they want other people to use the bus, it's just a matter of making the bus experience better, so that they do. But yes, that falls under (as you say) "improving transit". But there's more. Anyway, "Not Just Bikes" says this so much better than I could.