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I think that's what underlies a lot of this disagreement. Risk, and what risk is manageable, and who gets to shoulder it. These allegedly affected athletes (if
by Amezarak 5y ago
I think that's what underlies a lot of this disagreement. Risk, and what risk is manageable, and who gets to shoulder it.
These allegedly affected athletes (if that's what really caused their issue), probably have a very different feeling and assessment about the manageability of their myocarditis vs covid risk, and they by-and-large didn't get to choose - the decision was made for them, in part because the risk of Covid in > 80s is 1000x+ higher. There wasn't any sort of democratic discussion and consensus about what risks we were willing to accept in either Covid or in possible vaccine effects, people were just told by the authorities what they were going to accept. So people with different risk profiles and people with different amounts of risk-willingness are are major levels of disagreement, even if they don't always frame it in those terms.
EDIT: Brief correction that the risk I was thinking of is in 85+ year olds, and it's only 570x the risk of 18-29 year olds, not more than 1000x.
https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/covid-data/investigations-discovery/hospitalization-death-by-age.html https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/covid-data/investi...
- jcims 5y agoThis is one of those things i want to talk about any every time this subject comes up but i just don’t have the energy to sustain it because the arguments always turn into spreadsheet politics. So i 100% agree with you and i think exploring this aspect of the conversation is an essential part of healing it.
- oezi 5y agoYou are certainly right that risk assessment is hard, but with manageable I primarily meant that the myocarditis which was detected was primarily mild in the young age group(at least in Germany where I followed the reports) and didn't lead to any deaths or severe impairments. The risk for myocarditis from Comirnaty for 12-17 aged men is given at 4.8 in 100.000 vaccinations. Of those the larger than expected analysis showed that 10 out of the 78 total cases would have been expected without vaccination.