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> They are moving towards a subscription model. This is the biggest minus point for me. I want devices that I own, that I can use like I want to. I don't want

> They are moving towards a subscription model. This is the biggest minus point for me. I want devices that I own, that I can use like I want to. I don't want to be caught in another cloud and pay monthly for something I don't want to use. Currently I'm looking into getting a device from Onyx, because those support the Android App Stores, so I could set it up with Notion or my Nextcloud probably. Remarkable seems to have better hardware (as in screen and writing), though. edit: lots of people mentioning that you have SSH on the Remarkable. Good thing, but fiddling with shell scripts (yeah, no big deal for others, new for me) to sync with a cloud service of your choice... not sure I want that.

wincy 5y ago
Well, from the review it does state that their hardware is Linux based, and you have root access. The device is not locked down in the way a Kindle is. So it sounds like you do, in fact, own this particular device when you buy it. You could write applications for syncing files to your OwnCloud instance or whatever you’d like.
beowulfey 5y ago
They have USB transfer functionality now too—no need for internet connectivity.
akavel 5y ago
Notably, and with a disclaimer that I myself unfortunately failed to live by ideals in this case and did buy, Onyx seem to have their own issue, which is violating GPL: https://old.reddit.com/r/Onyx_Boox/comments/p9ztru/lets_help_onyx_become_a_better_company/ https://old.reddit.com/r/Onyx_Boox/comments/p9ztru/lets_help...
- tluyben2 5y ago
  Yeah, it is annoying that there is so little competition. I was made aware of this after being a very happy Boox (A4 size; I use it literally for everything I used paper for before when reading, writing, sketching, flow charts, mockups etc) user for 6 months. I am not going to toss it away and so far, after trying the reMarkable from a friend, I would buy the Boox again instead... ...if not this gpl issue. Edit: also, I believe one of the people in that reddit thread might have the correct answer; the eInk drivers (and probably more notably the waveform) will be proprietary and they do probably worry about losing their license if they publish anything they are not allowed to. Which would end their business immediately.
  - secondaryacct 5y ago
    The GPL issue doesnt matter for your buying decision. In fact, becoming a client expand your voice: you can now say you're even paying support already to listen to you whine about why they didnt publish the 5 patches they made to some broadcom drivers.
    - skinnymuch 5y ago
      In good faith, I’ll assume this entire thing isn’t sarcastic. Buying stuff from entities violating whatever will only solidify what they are doing. Support isn’t spending time any way with gpl stuff. They aren’t going to read a paying customers complaints any more than any one else.
      - zepto 5y ago
        If anything, a paying customers voice counts for less on this issue.
- JeremyNT 5y ago
  I have another similar device, the Boyue Likebook Mars, and it's so close to being great. In addition to the license compliance issues, I assume these cheap Chinese devices are siphoning off all my data to parts unknown. The last I checked, you couldn't even root the thing. I trust reMarkable more, so I might eventually buy one to replace the Mars. But a device like the Onyx/Boyue e-ink tablets that was more open (ideally: running LineageOS) would be close to ideal. Edit: I forgot about the PineNote, which is probably the best option on the horizon for those who don't trust these Chinese Android distros: https://www.pine64.org/pinenote/ https://www.pine64.org/pinenote/ - I should probably go pre-order one :)
  - necovek 5y ago
    You need to show that you are serious about developing for eInk note-taking devices to get in the first developer-only PineNote batch: at least serious enough to fill in a form describing your note-taking development credentials :). Or maybe they'd really let anyone have it who writes convincing enough prose about what they plan to develop on it. :) I'd love to develop apps for PineNote (or reMarkable even), but I am being realistic when I say that I won't get around to it.
ed_elliott_asc 5y ago
As I understand it, they have a cheaper version that includes subscription but if you pay the normal price then there is no subscription.
- martin_a 5y ago
  Yes, but even with their subscription you are kind of limited to Dropbox/GoogleDrive (for 8 €/month) or have to tinker around with SSH and shell scripts. Still reading how smooth you can get it going.
sharikous 5y ago
Or you could do like me, who never felt the urge to "sync to the cloud" any notebook, be it paper or e-ink based. RM2 works great offline and does not need any network connection to do its main job. I think you will find you won't really need updates if you use it the same way as me. And yes, as they mentioned it is enough FOSS friendly that there is quite a community of tinkerers around it
OliverM 5y ago
I have a remarkable v2, and I don't use their online services. I just wanted to replace a pen-and-paper notebook, and read occasional PDFs on it. It works fine as an ereader and brilliantly as an e-notebook. If better hardware is the key criterion for you, I'd go for the remarkable and just ignore the services.
- jcun4128 5y ago
  Same have had it for a few months have not connected to wifi
  - texasbigdata 5y ago
    The new Google drive intergration also super helps. Great tool.
    - jcun4128 5y ago
      The cool thing about it is you can SSH into it/do whatever you want from what I've read. There are some cool repos out there (check the sub). Eventually... I would like to mess around with it. It is a cool device though, the drawing feeling because the screen is textured and it "feels good" writing on it. It's thin and lasts a long time. Has it changed my life or anything, no not really it mostly sits with my SG2 that I will use at some point. As an aside, I also use this drawing (Krita) graphics tablet Kamvas Pro 12 GT-116 as an external monitor, just for anyone looking for a "drawing workflow extension" of some sort. I have used Sketch on the SG2 that's pretty nice too.
      - necovek 5y ago
        Took me a minute to figure out that SG2 is "Surface Go 2", so let me share that for others' benefit :)
      - m4rtink 5y ago
        For the record I use the Galaxy Note S6 + Wacom One combo for drawing in Krita and Clip Studio - also works quite nicely. :)
ithkuil 5y ago
The subscription mode is for syncing your content on their cloud storage. One of the nice features of the remarkable device is that they allow you to ssh on the device and run your software on it. There is a community who builds various tools that run on the device. I didn't check recently but I'm pretty sure you have one or more open options to sync your content to your remote storage of choice.
- meltedcapacitor 5y ago
  The subscription mode is likely primarily there for syncing their bank account with bank accounts of VCs who price everything in multiples of monthly recurring revenue. Probably not gonna end well.
  - sofixa 5y ago
    Without a subscription they have no incentive to update the software of already sold or older model ( which they already do). Considering the price and the niche market, they probably can't rely on future sales only to improve the software.
    - michaelt 5y ago
      A subscription doesn't give someone an incentive to update software. If anything, it does the opposite: if I'll get paid whether I add a feature or not, why spend the money to add the feature when I could just pocket the money? That's why companies love the subscription model so much: Instead of having to find compelling new features and updates to sell new versions or attract new customers, they can just sit back, put their feet up and the money keeps flowing in.
      - ksec 5y ago
        I think your parents meant subscription gives recurring revenue to sustain a ongoing cost which is software development. It is not an incentive, but a criteria. I often wished Remarkable would be brought up by big companies with more resources to work on it. But most companies these days aren't interested in making better products. Not to mention the possibilities of ruining it.
chrisseaton 5y ago
> I don't want to be caught in another cloud and pay monthly for something I don't want to use. Well... isn't that the advantage of subscription? If you stop using it you don't have to pay monthly for it anymore.
- akiselev 5y ago
  That's not how recurring billing works. You have to remember to cancel those, which is half the business model.
  - chrisseaton 5y ago
    You have to cancel something that you don't want to pay? Ok I'm not sure that's the huge hardship you think it is.
    - HighlandSpring 5y ago
      The larger point is that this is kind of like how a gym wants paying customers that don't show up too often or a flight operator over sells seats betting some flyers don't make it. It's a business that is subsidised by the ever increasing busyness of life and rising rates of executive dysfunction (there's a population that struggles to keep up with admin tasks on a neurological level and it's biologically determined) They have an incentive to get as many paying customers as possible but not necessarily turn them into engaged users. It can come too close to a racket depending on how discerning of a consumer you are
- ekianjo 5y ago
  and you end up with a brick instead of usable hardware?
  - chrisseaton 5y ago
    If you're not using it why do you care if it's usable?
bennyp101 5y ago
You can go into settings and enable ssh, and put pretty much whatever you want on it. Configure your own synchting or nextcloud sync, and not pay a penny. Worth noting that if you bought the device before October this year, then you get a free subscription - which is what I am using currently, but good to know that I can just swap it out if I want to
- KennyBlanken 5y ago
  > You can go into settings and enable ssh Until they disable it via an update because their cloud offering isn't making them enough money?
  - teekert 5y ago
    I would be genuinely curious to know how many people do ssh based tricks instead of paying for a subscription. Is it really worth pushing away your initial tech-savvy crowd for those couple of people that are not annoyed enough to leave?
    - jcelerier 5y ago
      even with the free subscription I still access it over ssh aha
    - OJFord 5y ago
      Surely it isn't, but it would hardly be the first time a company did something in that boneheaded vein.
      - teekert 5y ago
        Yeah, that's for sure. I was once very happy with a Fintech app (a bank), very techy, an API, modern and cool features, tight community. Then they pivoted and started targetting another more mainstream crowd. They incorporated their insta-feed into the app, and all kinds of social and greenwashing features. Reviews are still poor. I keep wondering if they could not somehow have kept the techy, early adopters happy and started targeting a more mainstream crowd. Is that very difficult? Two versions of the app would have done it. But maybe the tech group is so small it's worth pissing off this small group- that jumps on new stuff eagerly and helps you debug and grow in an early stage. Quite depressing.
gspr 5y ago
I love my RM2. Been using it without their cloud thingy since I got it. If they ever start getting hostile to non-cloud users, I'm out.
rpastuszak 5y ago
> edit: lots of people mentioning that you have SSH on the Remarkable. Good thing, but fiddling with shell scripts (yeah, no big deal for others, new for me) to sync with a cloud service of your choice... not sure I want that. I mean, yeah, as much as it sounds fun, I pay for things like this to have more time/ease doing other stuff (drawing, taking notes, etc), so this seems to defeat the point. iPad Pro + paperwhite + concepts and procreate does the job for me for that specific reason. I know that otherwise I’d get derailed and just start hacking things together instead of doodling
- newaccount74 5y ago
  Setting up Syncthing takes maybe 15min, so if that's compatible it would be sweet.
  - rglullis 5y ago
    Yes, syncthing works fine.
salamandersauce 5y ago
The hardware isn't better on the Remarkable. It's a slower weaker chipset than what's used on any of the Oynx devices and the screen in the RM2 is literally the same part as what is in the Oynx Note Air. Both use Wacom EMR for writing so you can use the same pens and nibs on both. Remarkable has a plastic layer to improve writing feel and optimized software to get pen latency down. The Oynx Note Air 2 supposedly also has improved writing feel but I'm not sure how it compares.
- Loughla 5y ago
  So I have the note air 2, and the reMarkable because reasons. The reMarkable feels like writing on paper. The Note Air 2 feels like writing on a piece of plastic. The reMarkable wins there. The latency on both is about the same, in my opinion. The reMarkable might hesitate when you erase something big, but then it's completely gone. Switching pages takes just enough time to be annoying. On the Note Air 2, erasing is just as laggy. But, page switches are almost instantaneous. BUT, you will see a shadow of the previous page literally every time you switch pages. For my money, the RM2 is worth it compared to the note air series.
  - salamandersauce 5y ago
    I only have the Note Air 1 and I don't see any ghosting on page switches in the notes app. But they are running different firmware so who knows. Other apps it's settings dependent but you can set it to refresh every page turn if you want. I'm sure RM feel is better but I bring up it's a plastic layer/nib feel and not something specifically built into the device. It's possible to get a better writing feel with a screen protector and a different nib on the Note Air. For me, writing is secondary to reading and the RM is just too limited in that regard.
schwartzworld 5y ago
Onyx make great devices. Running android means it has access to all kindle features via the Kindle app, plus anything else the android store or internet have to offer (I play sudoku on mine often).
- gs17 5y ago
  And Android gives a lot of other compatibilities in that app store content. I didn't need to wonder if my HN reader, manga reader, Papers, etc work on it because any Android app does.
mirekrusin 5y ago
Just ignore it, it works really well without this stuff. You can ssh to it (it's running linux) and stream stuff via ffmpeg etc. it's great.
robarino 5y ago
I watch this space and find the new Kobo interesting - syncs with dropbox, similar tech https://us.kobobooks.com/products/kobo-elipsa https://us.kobobooks.com/products/kobo-elipsa If you want to roll your own you can get an arduino attached to a recycled kindle display with wifi - i love this idea (but touch support is just emerging) https://inkplate.io/ https://inkplate.io/
jedimastert 5y ago
I think the subscription models are only for cloud integration? Which isn't a huge deal for me, I don't know about you.
fragmede 5y ago
Let's work out a deal. You pay me $7.98/month, and I'll "fiddle with shell scripts" for you! Of course if you don't trust me, you can always pay Remarkable $7.99/month, no fiddling necessary. And they'll even bundle it in their desktop app UI! If you can accept that you don't want to fiddle with shell scripts, then why is paying someone else for the privilege so far beyond the pale?
- myself248 5y ago
  I'll pay you quite a bit to make my ReMarkable do what I want and then go away forever. But once it's working, I'm pathologically opposed to paying for the continued privilege.
- martin_a 5y ago
  It's because they are doing it their way, and I want it my way. I don't want the data in their cloud, with Google or with Dropbox, but in my "Cloud". And why is there a recurring fee for this? Do they need to do this integration every month again? Ok, there might be some ongoing effort to keep the API working, but is that 8 Euro/month from thousands/millions of users? The problem is that hardware companies don't want to be hardware companies anymore, but they want to be _everything_ else, too. I dislike this.

wincy 5y ago

Well, from the review it does state that their hardware is Linux based, and you have root access. The device is not locked down in the way a Kindle is. So it sounds like you do, in fact, own this particular device when you buy it. You could write applications for syncing files to your OwnCloud instance or whatever you’d like.

beowulfey 5y ago

They have USB transfer functionality now too—no need for internet connectivity.

akavel 5y ago

Notably, and with a disclaimer that I myself unfortunately failed to live by ideals in this case and did buy, Onyx seem to have their own issue, which is violating GPL: https://old.reddit.com/r/Onyx_Boox/comments/p9ztru/lets_help_onyx_become_a_better_company/ https://old.reddit.com/r/Onyx_Boox/comments/p9ztru/lets_help...

tluyben2 5y ago
Yeah, it is annoying that there is so little competition. I was made aware of this after being a very happy Boox (A4 size; I use it literally for everything I used paper for before when reading, writing, sketching, flow charts, mockups etc) user for 6 months. I am not going to toss it away and so far, after trying the reMarkable from a friend, I would buy the Boox again instead... ...if not this gpl issue. Edit: also, I believe one of the people in that reddit thread might have the correct answer; the eInk drivers (and probably more notably the waveform) will be proprietary and they do probably worry about losing their license if they publish anything they are not allowed to. Which would end their business immediately.
- secondaryacct 5y ago
  The GPL issue doesnt matter for your buying decision. In fact, becoming a client expand your voice: you can now say you're even paying support already to listen to you whine about why they didnt publish the 5 patches they made to some broadcom drivers.
  - skinnymuch 5y ago
    In good faith, I’ll assume this entire thing isn’t sarcastic. Buying stuff from entities violating whatever will only solidify what they are doing. Support isn’t spending time any way with gpl stuff. They aren’t going to read a paying customers complaints any more than any one else.
    - zepto 5y ago
      If anything, a paying customers voice counts for less on this issue.
JeremyNT 5y ago
I have another similar device, the Boyue Likebook Mars, and it's so close to being great. In addition to the license compliance issues, I assume these cheap Chinese devices are siphoning off all my data to parts unknown. The last I checked, you couldn't even root the thing. I trust reMarkable more, so I might eventually buy one to replace the Mars. But a device like the Onyx/Boyue e-ink tablets that was more open (ideally: running LineageOS) would be close to ideal. Edit: I forgot about the PineNote, which is probably the best option on the horizon for those who don't trust these Chinese Android distros: https://www.pine64.org/pinenote/ https://www.pine64.org/pinenote/ - I should probably go pre-order one :)
- necovek 5y ago
  You need to show that you are serious about developing for eInk note-taking devices to get in the first developer-only PineNote batch: at least serious enough to fill in a form describing your note-taking development credentials :). Or maybe they'd really let anyone have it who writes convincing enough prose about what they plan to develop on it. :) I'd love to develop apps for PineNote (or reMarkable even), but I am being realistic when I say that I won't get around to it.

ed_elliott_asc 5y ago

As I understand it, they have a cheaper version that includes subscription but if you pay the normal price then there is no subscription.

martin_a 5y ago
Yes, but even with their subscription you are kind of limited to Dropbox/GoogleDrive (for 8 €/month) or have to tinker around with SSH and shell scripts. Still reading how smooth you can get it going.

sharikous 5y ago

Or you could do like me, who never felt the urge to "sync to the cloud" any notebook, be it paper or e-ink based. RM2 works great offline and does not need any network connection to do its main job. I think you will find you won't really need updates if you use it the same way as me. And yes, as they mentioned it is enough FOSS friendly that there is quite a community of tinkerers around it

OliverM 5y ago

I have a remarkable v2, and I don't use their online services. I just wanted to replace a pen-and-paper notebook, and read occasional PDFs on it. It works fine as an ereader and brilliantly as an e-notebook. If better hardware is the key criterion for you, I'd go for the remarkable and just ignore the services.

jcun4128 5y ago
Same have had it for a few months have not connected to wifi
- texasbigdata 5y ago
  The new Google drive intergration also super helps. Great tool.
  - jcun4128 5y ago
    The cool thing about it is you can SSH into it/do whatever you want from what I've read. There are some cool repos out there (check the sub). Eventually... I would like to mess around with it. It is a cool device though, the drawing feeling because the screen is textured and it "feels good" writing on it. It's thin and lasts a long time. Has it changed my life or anything, no not really it mostly sits with my SG2 that I will use at some point. As an aside, I also use this drawing (Krita) graphics tablet Kamvas Pro 12 GT-116 as an external monitor, just for anyone looking for a "drawing workflow extension" of some sort. I have used Sketch on the SG2 that's pretty nice too.
    - necovek 5y ago
      Took me a minute to figure out that SG2 is "Surface Go 2", so let me share that for others' benefit :)
    - m4rtink 5y ago
      For the record I use the Galaxy Note S6 + Wacom One combo for drawing in Krita and Clip Studio - also works quite nicely. :)

ithkuil 5y ago

The subscription mode is for syncing your content on their cloud storage. One of the nice features of the remarkable device is that they allow you to ssh on the device and run your software on it. There is a community who builds various tools that run on the device. I didn't check recently but I'm pretty sure you have one or more open options to sync your content to your remote storage of choice.

meltedcapacitor 5y ago
The subscription mode is likely primarily there for syncing their bank account with bank accounts of VCs who price everything in multiples of monthly recurring revenue. Probably not gonna end well.
- sofixa 5y ago
  Without a subscription they have no incentive to update the software of already sold or older model ( which they already do). Considering the price and the niche market, they probably can't rely on future sales only to improve the software.
  - michaelt 5y ago
    A subscription doesn't give someone an incentive to update software. If anything, it does the opposite: if I'll get paid whether I add a feature or not, why spend the money to add the feature when I could just pocket the money? That's why companies love the subscription model so much: Instead of having to find compelling new features and updates to sell new versions or attract new customers, they can just sit back, put their feet up and the money keeps flowing in.
    - ksec 5y ago
      I think your parents meant subscription gives recurring revenue to sustain a ongoing cost which is software development. It is not an incentive, but a criteria. I often wished Remarkable would be brought up by big companies with more resources to work on it. But most companies these days aren't interested in making better products. Not to mention the possibilities of ruining it.

chrisseaton 5y ago

> I don't want to be caught in another cloud and pay monthly for something I don't want to use. Well... isn't that the advantage of subscription? If you stop using it you don't have to pay monthly for it anymore.

akiselev 5y ago
That's not how recurring billing works. You have to remember to cancel those, which is half the business model.
- chrisseaton 5y ago
  You have to cancel something that you don't want to pay? Ok I'm not sure that's the huge hardship you think it is.
  - HighlandSpring 5y ago
    The larger point is that this is kind of like how a gym wants paying customers that don't show up too often or a flight operator over sells seats betting some flyers don't make it. It's a business that is subsidised by the ever increasing busyness of life and rising rates of executive dysfunction (there's a population that struggles to keep up with admin tasks on a neurological level and it's biologically determined) They have an incentive to get as many paying customers as possible but not necessarily turn them into engaged users. It can come too close to a racket depending on how discerning of a consumer you are
ekianjo 5y ago
and you end up with a brick instead of usable hardware?
- chrisseaton 5y ago
  If you're not using it why do you care if it's usable?

bennyp101 5y ago

You can go into settings and enable ssh, and put pretty much whatever you want on it. Configure your own synchting or nextcloud sync, and not pay a penny. Worth noting that if you bought the device before October this year, then you get a free subscription - which is what I am using currently, but good to know that I can just swap it out if I want to

KennyBlanken 5y ago
> You can go into settings and enable ssh Until they disable it via an update because their cloud offering isn't making them enough money?
- teekert 5y ago
  I would be genuinely curious to know how many people do ssh based tricks instead of paying for a subscription. Is it really worth pushing away your initial tech-savvy crowd for those couple of people that are not annoyed enough to leave?
  - jcelerier 5y ago
    even with the free subscription I still access it over ssh aha
  - OJFord 5y ago
    Surely it isn't, but it would hardly be the first time a company did something in that boneheaded vein.
    - teekert 5y ago
      Yeah, that's for sure. I was once very happy with a Fintech app (a bank), very techy, an API, modern and cool features, tight community. Then they pivoted and started targetting another more mainstream crowd. They incorporated their insta-feed into the app, and all kinds of social and greenwashing features. Reviews are still poor. I keep wondering if they could not somehow have kept the techy, early adopters happy and started targeting a more mainstream crowd. Is that very difficult? Two versions of the app would have done it. But maybe the tech group is so small it's worth pissing off this small group- that jumps on new stuff eagerly and helps you debug and grow in an early stage. Quite depressing.

gspr 5y ago

I love my RM2. Been using it without their cloud thingy since I got it. If they ever start getting hostile to non-cloud users, I'm out.

rpastuszak 5y ago

> edit: lots of people mentioning that you have SSH on the Remarkable. Good thing, but fiddling with shell scripts (yeah, no big deal for others, new for me) to sync with a cloud service of your choice... not sure I want that. I mean, yeah, as much as it sounds fun, I pay for things like this to have more time/ease doing other stuff (drawing, taking notes, etc), so this seems to defeat the point. iPad Pro + paperwhite + concepts and procreate does the job for me for that specific reason. I know that otherwise I’d get derailed and just start hacking things together instead of doodling

newaccount74 5y ago
Setting up Syncthing takes maybe 15min, so if that's compatible it would be sweet.
- rglullis 5y ago
  Yes, syncthing works fine.

salamandersauce 5y ago

The hardware isn't better on the Remarkable. It's a slower weaker chipset than what's used on any of the Oynx devices and the screen in the RM2 is literally the same part as what is in the Oynx Note Air. Both use Wacom EMR for writing so you can use the same pens and nibs on both. Remarkable has a plastic layer to improve writing feel and optimized software to get pen latency down. The Oynx Note Air 2 supposedly also has improved writing feel but I'm not sure how it compares.

Loughla 5y ago
So I have the note air 2, and the reMarkable because reasons. The reMarkable feels like writing on paper. The Note Air 2 feels like writing on a piece of plastic. The reMarkable wins there. The latency on both is about the same, in my opinion. The reMarkable might hesitate when you erase something big, but then it's completely gone. Switching pages takes just enough time to be annoying. On the Note Air 2, erasing is just as laggy. But, page switches are almost instantaneous. BUT, you will see a shadow of the previous page literally every time you switch pages. For my money, the RM2 is worth it compared to the note air series.
- salamandersauce 5y ago
  I only have the Note Air 1 and I don't see any ghosting on page switches in the notes app. But they are running different firmware so who knows. Other apps it's settings dependent but you can set it to refresh every page turn if you want. I'm sure RM feel is better but I bring up it's a plastic layer/nib feel and not something specifically built into the device. It's possible to get a better writing feel with a screen protector and a different nib on the Note Air. For me, writing is secondary to reading and the RM is just too limited in that regard.

schwartzworld 5y ago

Onyx make great devices. Running android means it has access to all kindle features via the Kindle app, plus anything else the android store or internet have to offer (I play sudoku on mine often).

gs17 5y ago
And Android gives a lot of other compatibilities in that app store content. I didn't need to wonder if my HN reader, manga reader, Papers, etc work on it because any Android app does.

mirekrusin 5y ago

Just ignore it, it works really well without this stuff. You can ssh to it (it's running linux) and stream stuff via ffmpeg etc. it's great.

robarino 5y ago

I watch this space and find the new Kobo interesting - syncs with dropbox, similar tech https://us.kobobooks.com/products/kobo-elipsa https://us.kobobooks.com/products/kobo-elipsa If you want to roll your own you can get an arduino attached to a recycled kindle display with wifi - i love this idea (but touch support is just emerging) https://inkplate.io/ https://inkplate.io/

jedimastert 5y ago

I think the subscription models are only for cloud integration? Which isn't a huge deal for me, I don't know about you.

fragmede 5y ago

Let's work out a deal. You pay me $7.98/month, and I'll "fiddle with shell scripts" for you! Of course if you don't trust me, you can always pay Remarkable $7.99/month, no fiddling necessary. And they'll even bundle it in their desktop app UI! If you can accept that you don't want to fiddle with shell scripts, then why is paying someone else for the privilege so far beyond the pale?

myself248 5y ago
I'll pay you quite a bit to make my ReMarkable do what I want and then go away forever. But once it's working, I'm pathologically opposed to paying for the continued privilege.
martin_a 5y ago
It's because they are doing it their way, and I want it my way. I don't want the data in their cloud, with Google or with Dropbox, but in my "Cloud". And why is there a recurring fee for this? Do they need to do this integration every month again? Ok, there might be some ongoing effort to keep the API working, but is that 8 Euro/month from thousands/millions of users? The problem is that hardware companies don't want to be hardware companies anymore, but they want to be _everything_ else, too. I dislike this.