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Ok I'll bite... that's not how this works, that's not how ANY of this works! First off, vaccinations are done via intermuscular injections, not bloodstream inj

Ok I'll bite... that's not how this works, that's not how ANY of this works! First off, vaccinations are done via intermuscular injections, not bloodstream injections. Second, as cells produce the foreign proteins, they are captured and displayed by the MHC molecules, so this notion that 'spike protein coursing through the body' is a wild fabrication. The body is good at degrading proteins. And honestly if you are worried about the mRNA vaccines doing bad things to you... I have news for you, SARS-CoV-2 injects a lot more mRNA into your cells, and lots more of those 'spike proteins' you're worried about are created, in a self-replicating pattern, until possibly you die. So you probably want to avoid SARS-CoV-2 a lot more than the mRNA vaccines.

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jmnicolas 5y ago
> First off, vaccinations are done via intermuscular injections, not bloodstream injections. The spike protein doesn't remain in the arm, it has been found everywhere in the body, including the brain, after vaccination. It was in the news a couple months ago. I'm not commenting on the other points since I don't know enough. However I'll echo the worries of Factorium, I believe we should wait and see what are the long term results of this round of ARN vaccines before we start administering new ones massively.
- hnbad 5y ago
  FWIW the "bloodstream injection" claim is related to a dubious study that intentionally injected an excessive amount of the vaccine into the bloodstream of lab animals and observed heart issues. So we're not just talking about "accidental bloodstream injections" (which is extremely unlikely to begin with) but also massively overdosing by orders of magnitude.
  - logicchains 5y ago
    Are you referring to https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/34406358/ https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/34406358/? The same amount was injected into the veins as into the muscles, and the injections into the muscles were not found to cause myocarditis in the lab animals, while those into the veins were. Which at least suggests that a given quantity is more dangerous if injected into the blood than into the muscle.
logicchains 5y ago
>Second, as cells produce the foreign proteins, they are captured and displayed by the MHC molecules, so this notion that 'spike protein coursing through the body' is a wild fabrication. That's not true. The body continues to produce circulating exosomes expressing the spike protein for 4+ months after vaccination: https://www.jimmunol.org/content/early/2021/10/11/jimmunol.2100637 https://www.jimmunol.org/content/early/2021/10/11/jimmunol.2...
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jmnicolas 5y ago

> First off, vaccinations are done via intermuscular injections, not bloodstream injections. The spike protein doesn't remain in the arm, it has been found everywhere in the body, including the brain, after vaccination. It was in the news a couple months ago. I'm not commenting on the other points since I don't know enough. However I'll echo the worries of Factorium, I believe we should wait and see what are the long term results of this round of ARN vaccines before we start administering new ones massively.

hnbad 5y ago
FWIW the "bloodstream injection" claim is related to a dubious study that intentionally injected an excessive amount of the vaccine into the bloodstream of lab animals and observed heart issues. So we're not just talking about "accidental bloodstream injections" (which is extremely unlikely to begin with) but also massively overdosing by orders of magnitude.
- logicchains 5y ago
  Are you referring to https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/34406358/ https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/34406358/? The same amount was injected into the veins as into the muscles, and the injections into the muscles were not found to cause myocarditis in the lab animals, while those into the veins were. Which at least suggests that a given quantity is more dangerous if injected into the blood than into the muscle.

logicchains 5y ago

>Second, as cells produce the foreign proteins, they are captured and displayed by the MHC molecules, so this notion that 'spike protein coursing through the body' is a wild fabrication. That's not true. The body continues to produce circulating exosomes expressing the spike protein for 4+ months after vaccination: https://www.jimmunol.org/content/early/2021/10/11/jimmunol.2100637 https://www.jimmunol.org/content/early/2021/10/11/jimmunol.2...

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