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Are you sure that knowing it was generated did not affect your impression? If you were told instead it was made by a human, you'd likely reach harder for a mea

Are you sure that knowing it was generated did not affect your impression? If you were told instead it was made by a human, you'd likely reach harder for a meaning without knowing it, and find it. Meaning is subjective enough as it is.

pasquinelli 5y ago
i think that's the point. who cares about generated art? the point of art is that a human being is saying something to you, the human audience.
- 9dev 5y ago
  I think that is exactly not the point, because the meaning of art is determined by the beholder, not the artist. They might have had an agenda to share, but that doesn’t make another interpretation of an artwork any less valid. This means that if you’re able to draw any conclusion from a piece generated by an AI, that makes it art. Discussing this topic further leads down an (interesting!) rabbit hole of what makes things actually worthwhile in life.
- anoplus 5y ago
  Good point. I was thinking the concept of "beauty" is comprised of both pure aesthetics (cleanness, composition, ratios, etc), and symbolism. For example, some heavy metal music might be perceived as "unaesthetic" or unpleasant, yet it carries deep meaning for someone who's best friends hear that music. Or went to a festival and met wonderful people there. All this meaning gives it "symbolic beauty".
jjj123 5y ago
That is probably true! I think there’s a case to be made that art is in the eye of the beholder, and that anything can be art depending on how it’s perceived. The meaning still feels accidental though, not that far off from thinking a random sentence generator’s output is profound. It may very well be profound, but I don’t think you can attribute the profundity to the algorithm. AI (From the AI works I’ve seen) is incapable of purposeful communication with the audience. AI art isn’t solved until it can do that, let alone communicate new ideas.

pasquinelli 5y ago

i think that's the point. who cares about generated art? the point of art is that a human being is saying something to you, the human audience.

9dev 5y ago
I think that is exactly not the point, because the meaning of art is determined by the beholder, not the artist. They might have had an agenda to share, but that doesn’t make another interpretation of an artwork any less valid. This means that if you’re able to draw any conclusion from a piece generated by an AI, that makes it art. Discussing this topic further leads down an (interesting!) rabbit hole of what makes things actually worthwhile in life.
anoplus 5y ago
Good point. I was thinking the concept of "beauty" is comprised of both pure aesthetics (cleanness, composition, ratios, etc), and symbolism. For example, some heavy metal music might be perceived as "unaesthetic" or unpleasant, yet it carries deep meaning for someone who's best friends hear that music. Or went to a festival and met wonderful people there. All this meaning gives it "symbolic beauty".

jjj123 5y ago

That is probably true! I think there’s a case to be made that art is in the eye of the beholder, and that anything can be art depending on how it’s perceived. The meaning still feels accidental though, not that far off from thinking a random sentence generator’s output is profound. It may very well be profound, but I don’t think you can attribute the profundity to the algorithm. AI (From the AI works I’ve seen) is incapable of purposeful communication with the audience. AI art isn’t solved until it can do that, let alone communicate new ideas.