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Bribe and blackmail seem a little more reasonable in that context. However, it seems that you are talking about free ranging goats in the actual national park.

by progre 5y ago

Bribe and blackmail seem a little more reasonable in that context. However, it seems that you are talking about free ranging goats in the actual national park. In that case I think no compensation should be paid since the rancher is already making use of a public good. Then the ranger should assume the risk by himself. And of course, claims of wolf attacks outside of those national lands should be supported by physical evidence. DNA testing is quite cheap, it sounds that Spain i simply doing the compensation payouts wrong.

pvaldes 5y ago
For a lot of time it was a problem of politicians willing to keep the social peace, buying local vote, and choosing not to act. Is not so easy money as it was, but still happens. More examples: In Jun 2021 a team of six farmers in the North of Spain were accused of scamming 60.000 euro of public funds. They claimed to have lost 170 animals between 2019 and 2020 but were caught putting food for attracting wolves and then removing small foals from its mothers and abandoning them in the same place so the wolves do their thing. They also killed 6 wolves that are a protected species. In a classic 'The Goodfather' style, head wolves and wolf corpses have been found hanging from road signs in several parts of the Cantabric mountains. 2016: https://www.rtpa.es/noticias-sucesos:-Hallan-la-cabeza-de-un-lobo-colgada-en-una-se%C3%B1al-de-trafico-en-Salas_111464629305.html https://www.rtpa.es/noticias-sucesos:-Hallan-la-cabeza-de-un... https://www.lavanguardia.com/natural/20180827/451495603526/decapitan-a-un-lobo-y-arrojan-sus-restos-a-una-piscina-publica-en-asturias.html https://www.lavanguardia.com/natural/20180827/451495603526/d... ... and after a farmers protest in Infiesto, somebody trow a decapitated wolf head in the public pool (2018). Politicians in environmental positions, have been harassed and pressed to gimme-more also. In 2014, more than 300 farmers were accused of scam after being caught billing twice for each animal to insurance (that was paid in part with public founds) and then to the government. https://www.rtpa.es/noticias-asturias:Mas-de-300-ganaderos-asturianos-imputados-por-estafa_111395174368.html https://www.rtpa.es/noticias-asturias:Mas-de-300-ganaderos-a... Some forest guards had being accused to turning a blind eye when filling the reports of attacks and report all as wolf attacks to benefit farmers from their own family. Other guards received death threats and found their cars scratched for not willing to bend and do the same. etc, etc, etc... In resume, free money leads to bad apples gaming the system. If USA follows the same path there is a strong possibility that will end facing exactly the same problems.

by progre 5y ago

pvaldes 5y ago

For a lot of time it was a problem of politicians willing to keep the social peace, buying local vote, and choosing not to act. Is not so easy money as it was, but still happens. More examples: In Jun 2021 a team of six farmers in the North of Spain were accused of scamming 60.000 euro of public funds. They claimed to have lost 170 animals between 2019 and 2020 but were caught putting food for attracting wolves and then removing small foals from its mothers and abandoning them in the same place so the wolves do their thing. They also killed 6 wolves that are a protected species. In a classic 'The Goodfather' style, head wolves and wolf corpses have been found hanging from road signs in several parts of the Cantabric mountains. 2016: https://www.rtpa.es/noticias-sucesos:-Hallan-la-cabeza-de-un-lobo-colgada-en-una-se%C3%B1al-de-trafico-en-Salas_111464629305.html https://www.rtpa.es/noticias-sucesos:-Hallan-la-cabeza-de-un... https://www.lavanguardia.com/natural/20180827/451495603526/decapitan-a-un-lobo-y-arrojan-sus-restos-a-una-piscina-publica-en-asturias.html https://www.lavanguardia.com/natural/20180827/451495603526/d... ... and after a farmers protest in Infiesto, somebody trow a decapitated wolf head in the public pool (2018). Politicians in environmental positions, have been harassed and pressed to gimme-more also. In 2014, more than 300 farmers were accused of scam after being caught billing twice for each animal to insurance (that was paid in part with public founds) and then to the government. https://www.rtpa.es/noticias-asturias:Mas-de-300-ganaderos-asturianos-imputados-por-estafa_111395174368.html https://www.rtpa.es/noticias-asturias:Mas-de-300-ganaderos-a... Some forest guards had being accused to turning a blind eye when filling the reports of attacks and report all as wolf attacks to benefit farmers from their own family. Other guards received death threats and found their cars scratched for not willing to bend and do the same. etc, etc, etc... In resume, free money leads to bad apples gaming the system. If USA follows the same path there is a strong possibility that will end facing exactly the same problems.