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For me the one killer feature of Tesla that isn’t brought up often enough is the UI display and that they actually keep the car updated and push out improvement

For me the one killer feature of Tesla that isn’t brought up often enough is the UI display and that they actually keep the car updated and push out improvements. Similarly to how you see other manufacturers being able to assemble a better car (for now IMO), I trust Tesla on the software front because I’ll be damned if I’m buying a car with a crappy stock Android OS or similar until proven otherwise. > people were idling with full batteries, blocking my use How? If you’re at full and the Supercharger is at high capacity they start paying idle fees. I mean I guess someone can sit there for no reason but that’s a surprising story to me.

FireBeyond 5y ago
> How? If you’re at full and the Supercharger is at high capacity they start paying idle fees. I mean I guess someone can sit there for no reason but that’s a surprising story to me. Because the idle fee is less than some parking garages cost? Or less than the convenience cost of moving the car?
- bin_bash 5y ago
  the idle fee is $1/minute
  - FireBeyond 5y ago
    That's a gamble/risk. It's only 50c/minute if the supercharger is not fully occupied when you park. If you're in some of the bigger cities, you can easily be approaching $30/hr for prime parking. And the idle fee is only for the period in excess of the active charging. Tesla also just massively increased charging prices: https://carbuzz.com/news/tesla-supercharging-costs-have-quadrupled-overnight https://carbuzz.com/news/tesla-supercharging-costs-have-quad...
    - bin_bash 5y ago
      If there were spaces open then GP wouldn't be having this problem. And $60/hour for parking would be outrageous anywhere in the country.
      - ericmay 5y ago
        Yes. Also the fee kicks in after a 5 minute grace period. You’re looking at $55/hour easy. Wouldn’t be surprised to see escalating idle fees in the future ($1/minute the first 15, $2/minute next and so on)
userbinator 5y ago
and that they actually keep the car updated and push out improvements ...also known as fixes for stuff that should've been caught before you were sold it. The whole "update culture" that has permeated into everything is a horrible abomination. It justifies leaving flaws unfixed before release, under the premise that "we can always fix it later", and indeed that's what appears to have happened --- except, in a lot of cases, it never gets fixed.
- ericmay 5y ago
  But these aren’t just bug fixes which, unlike other manufacturers Tesla does fix over the air, they are new apps, games, and other features. I don’t expect a product to ship with every possible feature and never be updated. Do you not update your OS on your laptop?
  - bumby 5y ago
    I think this is a distinction between traditional software and safety critical software. The minimum viable quality is much lower for the former. The expectation in the latter is that it has gone through rigorous quality checks to reduce uncertainty. This is distinct from the ability to be updated, as both types should have the capacity for updates.

FireBeyond 5y ago

> How? If you’re at full and the Supercharger is at high capacity they start paying idle fees. I mean I guess someone can sit there for no reason but that’s a surprising story to me. Because the idle fee is less than some parking garages cost? Or less than the convenience cost of moving the car?

bin_bash 5y ago
the idle fee is $1/minute
- FireBeyond 5y ago
  That's a gamble/risk. It's only 50c/minute if the supercharger is not fully occupied when you park. If you're in some of the bigger cities, you can easily be approaching $30/hr for prime parking. And the idle fee is only for the period in excess of the active charging. Tesla also just massively increased charging prices: https://carbuzz.com/news/tesla-supercharging-costs-have-quadrupled-overnight https://carbuzz.com/news/tesla-supercharging-costs-have-quad...
  - bin_bash 5y ago
    If there were spaces open then GP wouldn't be having this problem. And $60/hour for parking would be outrageous anywhere in the country.
    - ericmay 5y ago
      Yes. Also the fee kicks in after a 5 minute grace period. You’re looking at $55/hour easy. Wouldn’t be surprised to see escalating idle fees in the future ($1/minute the first 15, $2/minute next and so on)

userbinator 5y ago

and that they actually keep the car updated and push out improvements ...also known as fixes for stuff that should've been caught before you were sold it. The whole "update culture" that has permeated into everything is a horrible abomination. It justifies leaving flaws unfixed before release, under the premise that "we can always fix it later", and indeed that's what appears to have happened --- except, in a lot of cases, it never gets fixed.

ericmay 5y ago
But these aren’t just bug fixes which, unlike other manufacturers Tesla does fix over the air, they are new apps, games, and other features. I don’t expect a product to ship with every possible feature and never be updated. Do you not update your OS on your laptop?
- bumby 5y ago
  I think this is a distinction between traditional software and safety critical software. The minimum viable quality is much lower for the former. The expectation in the latter is that it has gone through rigorous quality checks to reduce uncertainty. This is distinct from the ability to be updated, as both types should have the capacity for updates.