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I thought CR gave the Tesla Model S the magazine’s first perfect score for a vehicle?

by jdkee 5y ago

count 5y ago
Model S is a sedan, not an SUV.
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- bdcravens 5y ago
  The article wasn't only about SUVs. It was about the reliability of 1) Teslas AND 2) electric SUVs
detaro 5y ago
and that's relevant to the reliablity ratings of Teslas today how?
dangle1 5y ago
Right, but this article is discussing reliability. It seems like CR provide the closest thing to a scientific approach to comparing vehicle reliability via the diligence of their subscribers to participate in reliability surveys. The article goes on to say that: >Consumer Reports recommends the Tesla Model 3 sedan and rates its reliability as "average." But Fisher said the rest of Tesla's vehicles are below average. The popular Model Y SUV, Tesla's best-selling vehicle, has problems with poorly fitting body panels, leaks and issues with its climate control, Fisher said. The larger Model X SUV "still has problems with the falcon wing doors," Fisher said.
- kolbe 5y ago
  Explain why Ford’s electric SUV, which has existed for maybe two years, is even being rated then?
  - dangle1 5y ago
    Here's CR's description of their methods, they include caveats re: new models and changes between model years: >About Consumer Reports Annual Auto Reliability Surveys The latest Consumer Reports Annual Auto Reliability Surveys, gathered information from the organization's members on more than 300,000 vehicles from model years 2000 to 2021. Members filled out online surveys in the spring and summer of 2021. CR’s reliability predictions are based on overall reliability for the past three model years, provided the vehicle has not been redesigned. One or two years of data will be used if the model was redesigned in 2021 or 2020. CR bases its reliability analysis on data gathered from CR members each year about problems they had with their vehicles in the past 12 months. CR’s team of statisticians and survey researchers, then analyzed trouble areas and created an overall reliability score for each model and year. Serious problem areas that can lead to expensive repairs are more heavily weighted. More information can be found at www.CR.org.
- dathinab 5y ago
  Fun fact: "wing doors" are as far as I know (which is not much) every (most?) cars which had wing doors had problems with them. Wing doors seem to generally be a bad idea as long as you don't put them on a "super expensive anyway super high maintenance" car (like some super-sport cars).
SeanLuke 5y ago
CR has two completely separate and independent scores for cars: the product rating and the reliability score. The product rating is a measure of the quality of the product as purchased and is done by CR itself. The reliability score IIRC is much later, done through customer surveys and long-term reliability tests.

I thought CR gave the Tesla Model S the magazine’s first perfect score for a vehicle?

by jdkee 5y ago

I thought CR gave the Tesla Model S the magazine’s first perfect score for a vehicle?

count 5y ago

Model S is a sedan, not an SUV.

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bdcravens 5y ago
The article wasn't only about SUVs. It was about the reliability of 1) Teslas AND 2) electric SUVs

detaro 5y ago

and that's relevant to the reliablity ratings of Teslas today how?

dangle1 5y ago

Right, but this article is discussing reliability. It seems like CR provide the closest thing to a scientific approach to comparing vehicle reliability via the diligence of their subscribers to participate in reliability surveys. The article goes on to say that: >Consumer Reports recommends the Tesla Model 3 sedan and rates its reliability as "average." But Fisher said the rest of Tesla's vehicles are below average. The popular Model Y SUV, Tesla's best-selling vehicle, has problems with poorly fitting body panels, leaks and issues with its climate control, Fisher said. The larger Model X SUV "still has problems with the falcon wing doors," Fisher said.

kolbe 5y ago
Explain why Ford’s electric SUV, which has existed for maybe two years, is even being rated then?
- dangle1 5y ago
  Here's CR's description of their methods, they include caveats re: new models and changes between model years: >About Consumer Reports Annual Auto Reliability Surveys The latest Consumer Reports Annual Auto Reliability Surveys, gathered information from the organization's members on more than 300,000 vehicles from model years 2000 to 2021. Members filled out online surveys in the spring and summer of 2021. CR’s reliability predictions are based on overall reliability for the past three model years, provided the vehicle has not been redesigned. One or two years of data will be used if the model was redesigned in 2021 or 2020. CR bases its reliability analysis on data gathered from CR members each year about problems they had with their vehicles in the past 12 months. CR’s team of statisticians and survey researchers, then analyzed trouble areas and created an overall reliability score for each model and year. Serious problem areas that can lead to expensive repairs are more heavily weighted. More information can be found at www.CR.org.
dathinab 5y ago
Fun fact: "wing doors" are as far as I know (which is not much) every (most?) cars which had wing doors had problems with them. Wing doors seem to generally be a bad idea as long as you don't put them on a "super expensive anyway super high maintenance" car (like some super-sport cars).

SeanLuke 5y ago

CR has two completely separate and independent scores for cars: the product rating and the reliability score. The product rating is a measure of the quality of the product as purchased and is done by CR itself. The reliability score IIRC is much later, done through customer surveys and long-term reliability tests.