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> Many Texans conceptualize government and state uses of force (ie prosecution that can lead to imprisonment) as restrictions on their rights. This "negative ri
by today20201014 5y ago
> Many Texans conceptualize government and state uses of force (ie prosecution that can lead to imprisonment) as restrictions on their rights. This "negative rights" conceptualization is pretty common in the US, but especially common in Texas
So, the government/state has guaranteed a negative right to life, i.e. citizens are prohibited from actions that deprive someone's right to life, and in order to enforce this prohibition, citizens are deprived of their right to arbitrarily commit violence to each other, while the government/state has a monopoly.
Where does our right to arbitrarily commit violence come from? Is it just a "natural right"?
- qweqwweqwe-90i 5y agoWhat's wrong with choosing rights democratically?
- bluGill 5y agoMinority rights.
- qweqwweqwe-90i 5y agoYou either believe in a democracy or you don’t. Minority rights have been pretty well protected through democratic decisions.
- bluGill 5y agoSometimes, but not all times. It depends on what minority
- qweqwweqwe-90i 5y agoI disagree, but you are entitled to your opinion. And also to try and change the situation democratically.
- lowkey_ 5y agoMinority rights are well-protected in America as a constitutional republic. An actual direct democracy, like Switzerland, isn't as great as protecting minority rights. There's plenty of examples of democracies trampling minority rights, and there is a legitimate fear of tyrannical majority in most democracies. America is quite unique in its system and how well it protects rights.
- lotsofpulp 5y ago> Where does our right to arbitrarily commit violence come from? Is it just a "natural right"? If you down the rabbit hole far enough, rights do not come from anywhere other than the extent to which an opposing party is able to punish you. Aka, might makes right.
- mgraczyk 5y agoSee that's why there's a big difference in conceptualization. Texans would certainly not say you have a "right" to arbitrarily commit violence. They conceptualize rights "negatively", as things the state shouldn't take away from you. In this case, the right is the freedom to not not go to prison after protecting your property. In fact, a Texan may also believe that since you have no right to violence, it would be perfectly fine for a police officer to stop you from using deadly force, as long as that police officer doesn't use deadly force on you!
- today20201014 5y agoThanks, but I guess I just don't understand how this concept - negative rights are things that the state shouldn't take away from you - fits the concept of a "negative" right given here [0]. Following that definition, negative rights require that some actions are not allowed - the government/state (i.e, society?) takes these actions away. [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Negative_and_positive_rights https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Negative_and_positive_rights
- mgraczyk 5y agoThe way it would fit: You have a negative right to freedom from the state: the state can't lock you up without a good reason. Also relevant, you have a negative right to your property: someone can't take your property from you. Contrast with a postive-right versions of these two things, right to due process and right to property protection by the police.
- bollu 5y agoI don't grok the real difference between the positive and negative rights example. Do these lead to different policy decisions? I'd like to know.
- esyir 5y agoIn the property case, my understanding is that people cannot take your property, this you are permitted to defend your property. In the positive rights case, the state extends property protection via the law and police, thereby implicitly granting you property rights. This is a grant, and you are not allowed to defend your own property? That's my rough reading of ops text.