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>If we had enough surveillance, police officers, and so forth to catch criminals, hold them to consequences, and deter others, I would support avoiding a strict

>If we had enough surveillance, police officers, and so forth to catch criminals, hold them to consequences, and deter others, I would support avoiding a stricter law like this. The fact that you don't, and that you think street executions are a substitute, is what makes it a failed state.

plantain 5y ago
https://twitter.com/JodiHernandezTV/status/1462284757434175488 https://twitter.com/JodiHernandezTV/status/14622847574341754... Honestly, what is going on in the US?
- tick_tock_tick 5y ago
  The punishment for petty crime in cities has been getting smaller and finally reach a threshold that people no longer see it as a real deterrent.
  - arcticbull 5y ago
    Or there are more desperate people now willing to take the risks than before. Or some combination of both.
    - ianhawes 5y ago
      Ah yes, desperate people that need designer handbags to survive. They’re so desperate, they pull up in their private vehicles to commit such an act of desperation. Their desperation has inspired them to dress in hoodies and a mask to prevent identification.
      - arcticbull 5y ago
        I strongly suspect they’re fencing them, and if you’re going to commit a crime a mask is a good idea. As is getting the most bang for your buck, committing crimes repeatedly is a good way to get caught.
    - Eelongate 5y ago
      These aren't desperate people trying to feed their starving infant babies; it's organized crime. Their get away vehicles are often nicer than my car.
      - arcticbull 5y ago
        Do you have some data? I’m curious to learn more.
- twh270 5y ago
  Due to the lack of police enforcement and prosecution by the courts, a segment of the populace has figured out that they can do things like this and get away with it, with no consequences. There's a segment of the population that seems to believe this kind of looting and other theft/crime is largely a product of poverty; that if we would increase the minimum wage, have more affordable housing, and generally improve the conditions of the working poor, that these crimes would go away. I believe that kind of thinking is dangerous and foolish.
- SyzygistSix 5y ago
  The lack of workers rights, the high price of housing, and the lack of decent social safety nets has helped to create a lot of poor, desperate people and a high property crime rate, high enough that police do not have enough manpower to prevent them or even respond to them.
SyzygistSix 5y ago
And the fact that we would rather spend the money on ineffective social programs like police and prisons rather than the equivalent on preventative measures that keep our communities from becoming shitty in the first place, like most Western countries do.

plantain 5y ago

https://twitter.com/JodiHernandezTV/status/1462284757434175488 https://twitter.com/JodiHernandezTV/status/14622847574341754... Honestly, what is going on in the US?

tick_tock_tick 5y ago
The punishment for petty crime in cities has been getting smaller and finally reach a threshold that people no longer see it as a real deterrent.
- arcticbull 5y ago
  Or there are more desperate people now willing to take the risks than before. Or some combination of both.
  - ianhawes 5y ago
    Ah yes, desperate people that need designer handbags to survive. They’re so desperate, they pull up in their private vehicles to commit such an act of desperation. Their desperation has inspired them to dress in hoodies and a mask to prevent identification.
    - arcticbull 5y ago
      I strongly suspect they’re fencing them, and if you’re going to commit a crime a mask is a good idea. As is getting the most bang for your buck, committing crimes repeatedly is a good way to get caught.
  - Eelongate 5y ago
    These aren't desperate people trying to feed their starving infant babies; it's organized crime. Their get away vehicles are often nicer than my car.
    - arcticbull 5y ago
      Do you have some data? I’m curious to learn more.
twh270 5y ago
Due to the lack of police enforcement and prosecution by the courts, a segment of the populace has figured out that they can do things like this and get away with it, with no consequences. There's a segment of the population that seems to believe this kind of looting and other theft/crime is largely a product of poverty; that if we would increase the minimum wage, have more affordable housing, and generally improve the conditions of the working poor, that these crimes would go away. I believe that kind of thinking is dangerous and foolish.
SyzygistSix 5y ago
The lack of workers rights, the high price of housing, and the lack of decent social safety nets has helped to create a lot of poor, desperate people and a high property crime rate, high enough that police do not have enough manpower to prevent them or even respond to them.

SyzygistSix 5y ago

And the fact that we would rather spend the money on ineffective social programs like police and prisons rather than the equivalent on preventative measures that keep our communities from becoming shitty in the first place, like most Western countries do.