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I live in a small eu country... wood-framed housing is practically non-existant here. Not sure why, but we always joke about american houses, that are made out

I live in a small eu country... wood-framed housing is practically non-existant here. Not sure why, but we always joke about american houses, that are made out of "cardboard", where you hammer a nail to hang a picture, and break through the wall.

akvadrako 5y ago
Huh? You can't hammer a nail to hang a picture at all into a concrete wall. And it's pretty shitty with masonry too.
- ajsnigrutin 5y ago
  Yeah, you drill a hole, and put one of those plastic achoors inside, and screw a scew in, and hand a photo on the screw. Our old-school socialist apartment buildings even have internal walls built out of reinforced concrete... drilling a whole to pull an ethernet cable through, means hoping for luck not to hit rebar
  - scatters 5y ago
    You can't use a stud finder?
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    - mschuster91 5y ago
      These don't work for stuff deep inside walls.
      - MertsA 5y ago
        Actually they make variants of stud finders to locate rebar in foundations and walls. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E8Qn3Eu87h4 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E8Qn3Eu87h4
  - akvadrako 5y ago
    That isn't nailing. You can also drill for anchors in drywall and it doesn't require a hammer drill.
advisedwang 5y ago
As someone who has lived in the US and Europe, I have made similar jokes. That said I've come to realize there's many advantages to the US way and in some respects the house I grew up in was massively overbuild: Advantages of timber frame: * Safer in earthquake * Easier to do remodeling tasks like changing layouts, plumbing, wiring * Easier to DIY * Cheaper Most of the apparent disadvantages can be offset: * I've never seen it happen, but you are right drywall is easily damaged. It's also easily replaced though. * Noise and thermal insulation can be added * Flammability is mitigated with firestops, fire resistant drywall and codes that require multiple points of egress. Larger wood buildings have sprinklers. At this point I mostly have aesthetic complaints.
- lotsofpulp 5y ago
  Drywall+wood also lets wireless signals through easier.

akvadrako 5y ago

Huh? You can't hammer a nail to hang a picture at all into a concrete wall. And it's pretty shitty with masonry too.

ajsnigrutin 5y ago
Yeah, you drill a hole, and put one of those plastic achoors inside, and screw a scew in, and hand a photo on the screw. Our old-school socialist apartment buildings even have internal walls built out of reinforced concrete... drilling a whole to pull an ethernet cable through, means hoping for luck not to hit rebar
- scatters 5y ago
  You can't use a stud finder?
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  - mschuster91 5y ago
    These don't work for stuff deep inside walls.
    - MertsA 5y ago
      Actually they make variants of stud finders to locate rebar in foundations and walls. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E8Qn3Eu87h4 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E8Qn3Eu87h4
- akvadrako 5y ago
  That isn't nailing. You can also drill for anchors in drywall and it doesn't require a hammer drill.

advisedwang 5y ago

As someone who has lived in the US and Europe, I have made similar jokes. That said I've come to realize there's many advantages to the US way and in some respects the house I grew up in was massively overbuild: Advantages of timber frame: * Safer in earthquake * Easier to do remodeling tasks like changing layouts, plumbing, wiring * Easier to DIY * Cheaper Most of the apparent disadvantages can be offset: * I've never seen it happen, but you are right drywall is easily damaged. It's also easily replaced though. * Noise and thermal insulation can be added * Flammability is mitigated with firestops, fire resistant drywall and codes that require multiple points of egress. Larger wood buildings have sprinklers. At this point I mostly have aesthetic complaints.

lotsofpulp 5y ago
Drywall+wood also lets wireless signals through easier.